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Offline Kesa

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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2014, 08:14:19 PM »
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If voting changed anything it wouldn't be allowed.

I think it was Winston Churchill who said "The greatest argument against democracy is spending five minutes in the company of the average voter."


I agree.

Wow. You and me think alike.
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Then you will always be at the mercy of banks.


I disagree. Finance has a place but most people don't really understand how it works. Besides there are plenty of alternatives.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2014, 08:27:36 PM »
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If voting changed anything it wouldn't be allowed.

I think it was Winston Churchill who said "The greatest argument against democracy is spending five minutes in the company of the average voter."


This is both a cultural and an education issue.  So in a society that's intentionally dumbing down the education system while also debasing the culture morally, and you end up with a population that cares only about reality TV and televised sports.

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Then you will always be at the mercy of banks.


We are at the mercy of the banks because of the Federal Reserve.  Get rid of that and return the power to coin money back to the government, then enforce some common sense banking regulation, or at least enforce existing laws and throw the thieves in jail, and you end up with an imperfect, but much more free financial system that's much harder to hijack.

Education matters here also.  I'm reminded of the famous Henry Ford quote about our banking system.

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Well it certainly isn't socialism you've got over there. Fascism perhaps but that's just another word for unchecked capitalism.


It's a hijacked, out of control capitalist system rather than the regulated free market capitalism that everyone thinks it is.  What we have now, and what will become more apparent in the near future, is that it's fascism at the top, but communism for the rest of us.  So you have huge corporations that own everything and remote-control the government writing laws that benefit them while enslaving us.  And we're not allowed to own property or engage in free enterprise.  

Just look at the trans pacific partnership.  Large corps can sue governments and force the tax payers to reimburse them for "lost profits" if they pass a law that stop the corporations from doing what they want.  Sooner or later, it will be you instead of a government that gets sued.  Was there a perceived loss because you didn't buy something?  Well that's an extra tax for you!

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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2014, 08:46:40 PM »
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For the record i think he is right. The population is too large. It needs to be reduced. In 3rd world countries there are people giving birth to up to 5 + children but can barely support one.


Why do you believe this?  What's the real problem here?  Is it that there's not enough prosperity to support the number of people?  Or is it that there's too many people for the level of prosperity that has been imposed on them from outside forces?  Is the solution to increase prosperity?  Or to decrease the number of people (by force)?

There's easily enough arable land to support all of the people on the planet and many more.  Just visit an agricultural based country like where I live, and you'll be shocked by how much food is thrown out, or could be grown but isn't.  I watch entire orchards worth of fruit fall on the ground every year.  I've watched farmers throw out thousands of squashes, an entire harvest.  Why?  Because the economics aren't there.  It's not worth it for them to bring the food to market.  So the problem isn't overpopulation, it's politics, economics, and logistics.  And you can't say that they live in the desert and food would never grow there.  Look at what Israel has done.  In 1940, it was a desert.  Now they export fruit to Europe.

If there's food and water shortages, whether the root cause is economic or otherwise, the problem is artificial.  The real solution is to figure out who's causing these problems and stop them.  And if you do enough research, it's easy to figure out who is to blame.  

You think people in third world countries aren't aware of their economic situation?  People in poor countries have a lot of children because their children die.  And they want someone who can take care of them when they're older, just like you.  So to hedge against high infant and child mortality, they have more children.  Isn't it a double standard for you to try to deny them that when your children are unlikely to die before adulthood?  What if when they made the decision to have more children, they lived in a stable area and could feed them.  But later, an outside economic interest funded a civil war and now they're starving refugees?  Is the problem that they had too many children?  Or is the problem that some wealthy jerk enabled a psychopathic warlord to screw up their life?  You think this can't happen in the US?

Overpopulation is a lie told by advocates of Agenda 21 and its goals.  

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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2014, 09:28:53 PM »
Wow and Gates caused all this?

I think people often forget they ARE society.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2014, 04:23:05 AM »
This thread is insane. I'm done with it.
 

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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 06:27:56 AM »
It sure is nice for psychopaths that the population panic has made genocide cool again.
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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2014, 06:58:32 AM »
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This thread is insane. I'm done with it.


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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2014, 08:30:30 AM »
Matt_H you're approaching it all wrong. Conspiracy theories are good for the brains :biglaugh:
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2014, 11:21:37 AM »
And for the economy too! Now, who wants to buy a hat? Made of the finest Tin Foil, guaranteed to protect the brain from Aliens/The CIA/MI5/Cliff Richard. Honest.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2014, 12:06:14 PM »
I have no intention of having children.  People who have loads of children are the biggest issue this planet and our environment face.
 
There are enough children without parents or good homes.  If you really feel the need to fill your time with children then foster or adpot
 
But population needs to be controlled through education not drugs.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2014, 12:07:05 PM »
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And for the economy too! Now, who wants to buy a hat? Made of the finest Tin Foil, guaranteed to protect the brain from Aliens/The CIA/MI5/Cliff Richard. Honest.

cliff ricahrd lol.   Find the idea of cliff being some eveil overlord quite amusing
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2014, 12:08:02 PM »
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And for the economy too! Now, who wants to buy a hat? Made of the finest Tin Foil, guaranteed to protect the brain from Aliens/The CIA/MI5/Cliff Richard. Honest.


I do not trust "third party" tin foil hats, I make my own.:)
 

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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2014, 12:16:14 PM »
These are awesome and really show up our internet arguments.
 
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2014, 03:04:50 PM »
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I do not trust "third party" tin foil hats, I make my own.:)

Make sure you use tin and not aluminium so you don't get Alzheimer's because that's what they want! ;)
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2014, 03:14:19 PM »
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I have no intention of having children.  People who have loads of children are the biggest issue this planet and our environment face.
 


Why do you believe this?    If all the children are cared for and fed, why does it matter to you?  

I can't remember the exact numbers, but Beethoven was the youngest of something like 13 children.

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There are enough children without parents or good homes.  If you really feel the need to fill your time with children then foster or adopt
 


I agree completely.  I have nine children.  The youngest five are adopted from three different countries.  After having experienced both adoption and having biological children, I would encourage everyone to do both.  They're great experiences for different reasons.

By the way, if adoption is so great, then why is the UN and UNICEF trying to shut it down?  

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But population needs to be controlled through education not drugs.


I agree that education is always a good thing.  But you have to teach the right things.  And I don't think the world's population needs to be controlled at all.  However, history clearly shows that as you raise the standard of living for a society, birth rate drops significantly.  So what is the real solution to the population problem, if there is such a thing?