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Offline blanning

Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2014, 01:01:48 PM »
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When I first saw this statement I thought similar to what that others have expressed. There is no such thing is "right" or "wrong". Right or wrong is simply an opinion - of an individual or of a collective group of people. As such, just because someone's opinion differs from yours doesn't mean they are right, wrong, or...brainwashed.


I disagree.  I believe there's right and wrong.  And that's a separate idea from having a difference of opinion.  Whether you think capitalism or socialism is better, that's a matter of opinion on which we can differ.   Forcibly sterilizing people in the third world because we believe they shouldn't have children, that's wrong.

Those who believe in moral relativism have been brainwashed.  I believe that's a fact.  But that's just my opinion.  :-)
 

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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2014, 01:04:38 PM »
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I guess it depends on whether you have an optimistic, pesimistic or cynical personality. You seem to be the latter 2 while i am optimistic.


I have hope and optimism where I believe it's warranted.  But with regard to where the world is heading today, I see nothing but death and destruction coming... soon.  

I prefer the word "realist".  

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, continues to exist. - Phillip K Dick
 

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« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2014, 03:35:52 PM »
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I have hope and optimism where I believe it's warranted.  But with regard to where the world is heading today, I see nothing but death and destruction coming... soon.  

I prefer the word "realist".  

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, continues to exist. - Phillip K Dick

"realist" - is that the latest buzz word for depressing?
Phil seemed convinced the world was going to end in nuclear annihilation, instead its still chugging along long after Dick stroked out.
My guess is it will outlast us too (and hopefully the rest of humanity - scourge that it is).
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2014, 03:36:12 PM »
A realist is a pessimist in denial.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2014, 03:36:54 PM »
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Wasn't it Voltaire who said "I may not agree with what you have to say but I will fight to my death for your right to say it"?


it was indeed :)
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2014, 03:39:43 PM »
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I disagree.  I believe there's right and wrong.  And that's a separate idea from having a difference of opinion.  Whether you think capitalism or socialism is better, that's a matter of opinion on which we can differ.   Forcibly sterilizing people in the third world because we believe they shouldn't have children, that's wrong.

Those who believe in moral relativism have been brainwashed.  I believe that's a fact.  But that's just my opinion.  :-)

I agree that is wrong.  It is not the population expanding in the majority world that is the problem It is the populations in places like the UK, germany usa, te so called developed world,  that are causing the real drain on the planets resources.
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« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2014, 06:25:32 PM »
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I agree that is wrong.  It is not the population expanding in the majority world that is the problem It is the populations in places like the UK, germany usa, te so called developed world,  that are causing the real drain on the planets resources.

Not all people in the west, just the materially obsessed consumer culture slaves.  I read the following quote somewhere a couple of days ago but I forget the name of who said it. I believe it was an American author IIRC  "These people are buying things they can't afford, with money they didn't earn, that they don't need, to impress people they don't like."
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« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2014, 11:07:50 PM »
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Gates is a fraud.
 

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« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2014, 01:42:24 AM »
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I agree that is wrong.  It is not the population expanding in the majority world that is the problem It is the populations in places like the UK, germany usa, te so called developed world,  that are causing the real drain on the planets resources.


Which resources?
 

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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2014, 05:27:02 PM »
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Which resources?

ALL resources.
Our demands, as "civilized" human beings, greatly outstrips that of our more "primitive" brethren.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2014, 06:34:29 PM »
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Which resources?


Fossil fuels. They metals and minerals we are force miming form places like Africa to make mobiles and computers.  Food will become an issue in the not too distant future
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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2014, 06:45:10 PM »
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Fossil fuels. They metals and minerals we are force miming form places like Africa to make mobiles and computers.  Food will become an issue in the not too distant future

It isn't already?
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2014, 07:20:10 PM »
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Fossil fuels. They metals and minerals we are force miming form places like Africa to make mobiles and computers.  Food will become an issue in the not too distant future


I think most people are blissfully ignorant of the evil that western civilisation imposes on the rest of the world to supply the things that make our lifestyle what it is.

Ignorance is a choice IMNSHO.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2014, 07:32:46 PM »
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I think most people are blissfully ignorant of the evil that western civilisation imposes on the rest of the world to supply the things that make our lifestyle what it is.

Ignorance is a choice IMNSHO.

I disagree with this. I don't call this evil or ignorance. I call it Darwinism. Humans are not born equal. Not just in genetics but also where you were lucky (or unlucky) enough to be born.
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Re: Bill Gates not a philanthropist?
« Reply #74 on: January 19, 2014, 09:07:59 PM »
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I think most people are blissfully ignorant of the evil that western civilisation imposes on the rest of the world to supply the things that make our lifestyle what it is.

Ignorance is a choice IMNSHO.


Thus the importance that we all take responsibility for our impact on the world and try to leave it in a better place by the time we leave. Philanthropy is the way to do that, in a considered and developmental way. Sponsoring agri projects and medical initiatives. Just like Bill Gates has.

Look at the amount of money Gates and Microsoft has pumped into the EU and the third world (Spain) through forced donations to corrupt bureaucracy.
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