Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?

[jedi]

@Herewegoagain

"Also, it will not emulate the whole 68k OS. Much of the ORIGINAL AMIGA OS is re-written in PPC native code. That is what makes this The Official One."

True.

But, for the moment AmigaOS4 is not here. And for the moment, when I use MorphOS on Pegasos it's like I use an AmigaOS on an Amiga, but better and more powerfull. Majority of the Amiga Classic applications runs (very fast) on MorphOS. That's give me, NOW, what we have waited for many years : a modern "AmigaOS" on a modern "Amiga". Of course, without the name. But is the name important when we have all we want ?...

(@JoeAFUA: of course ;-))

[jedi]

To resume : for me, it's more important to see, and to get, (great) results (with great perspectives) than an official name. (And that's also more intelligent).

[System]

Hello,

"Also, it will not emulate the whole 68k OS. Much of the ORIGINAL AMIGA OS is re-written in PPC native code. That is what makes this The Official One."

FYI the MorphOS' A-Box also implement complete fully PPC Native rewrite from scratch of the AmigaOS APIs.

Regards

[System]

@ jedi

I am happy for you, that you are happy with MorphOS and your Pegasos.

What I have seen so far for myself is simply far too unstable for my liking, although the interface is quite nice when it doesn't crash. I hope that Genesi will suprize me at the Aachen show.

As with regard to my personal preference to the AmigaOS4 project currently, this based on the sum of all the things I know so far. The public feature list and interviews done with the AmigaOS4 team gives me alot more insight into their project. Also they have tried to personally answer every single one of my questions.

With regard to my AmigaOne preference, this is based on several facts. Most importantly the hardware is AmigaOS4 licensed already, secondly it offers me a G4 solution already, and finally it offers me an additional 66 Mhz PCI slot in comparison to a Pegasos (Although the Pegasos IS excellent hardware, I agree!).

IMO everyone should just buy whatever makes them happy, and respect the choice of others.  :-D

[jedi]

@MikeB

> I happy for you, that you are happy with MorphOS and your Pegasos.

I wish you the same with AmigaOS4 and AmigaOne ;-)


> What I have seen so far for myself is simply far too unstable, although the iterface is quite nice when it doesn't crash. I hope that Genesi will suprize me at the Aachen show.

I would like say the same for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne. That would say that AmigaOS4 is already available. But for the moment, nobody has seen AmigaOS4 running on AmigaOne, with Workbench and everything, neither on Amiga Classic PPC...

And you can be sure, when it will be available on AmigaOne, that AmigaOS4 will also crash and will be unstable ! And that's normal at the beginning ;-)

For your information, MorphOS is more and more stable day after day, and crashes very less. In fact, it's more the applications (badly coded) which crash MorphOS than MorphOS crashes itself ;-)

 
> As with regard to my personal preference to the AmigaOS4 project currently, this based on the sum of all the things I know so far. The public feature list and interviews done by the AmigaOS4 team gives me alot more insight into their project. Also they have tried to personally answer every single one of my questions.

Ok, but that's not concrete. What is the reality ?...
Personnaly, I prefer judge with concrete and results, in reality, than "public feature list and interviews" only on paper (for the moment)...

That the big difference : a lot of people have already seen and used/tested MorphOS running on Pegasos (at home, in Shows, in Meetings,...), but who for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (except the Hyperion team and a boot Firmware) ?...


> With regard to my AmigaOne preference, this is based on several facts. Most importantly it is AmigaOS4 licensed hardware already, secondly it offers me a G4 solution already, and finally it offers me an additional 66 Mhz PCI slot in comparison to a Pegasos (Although the Pegasos IS excellent hardware, I agree!).

Are you sure that AmigaOne offers you a G4 solution already ?... ;-)


> IMO everyone should just buy whatever makes them happy, and respect the choice of others.

Exactly :-)

[Tomas]

i truly hope this is a fuc*ing bad hoax..... If this is true, its the end of Amiga  :-x

Thendic sure are some damn as*holes

[System]

I wish you the same with AmigaOS4 and AmigaOne

Thanks, maybe one day if there would exist a fully AmigaOS4 licensed version of the Pegaos, I will buy this as well for comparison articles.

I would like say the same for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne. That would say that AmigaOS4 is already available.

What I have stated before, is that most important to me is that they offer me a good quality product. If this takes more time, then so be it.

As from my AmigaOS fan perspective, I want a real AmigaOS4 port with all those mentioned features and components. With regard to the MorphOS/ABox solution , my personal perspective is that I already own Amithlon. Amithlon in combination with new 68k versions of AmigaOS4 components does sound good to me as well. Although it is unsure we would actually see this happening some day, while those components *are* reportably already running very stable with Amithlon. Still I strongly prefer an official, modern and native AmigaOS port for modern hardware.

For your information, MorphOS is more and more stable day after day, and crashes very less.

I am looking forward to testing this myself at the upcoming Aachen show then.  :-)

but who for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (except the Hyperion team and a boot Firmware).

Hyperion have demonstrated that the AmigaOS kernel, ExecSG, is operating with full functionality on AmigaOne hardware already. Also many AmigaOS4 components have already been demonstrated at various Amiga shows.

Are you sure that AmigaOne offers you a G4 solution already ?...

Yes, you can get more info on this offer here. The boards will be delivered before christmas if people order them now.

[dammy]

Poster: MikeB Date: 2002/11/25 4:45:27

@ Senex

Interesting opinion you have there, I would have said exactly the opposite. To bring all this confusion onto the public, is the worst you could IMO do for the sake of the Amiga community.

There are tons of examples where leading figures have fought issues publicly, with the witness of the general public. IMO this has greatly degraded and damaged the general image of the entire Amiga community.

For example, revealing Fleecy's confidential email meant solely for Bill Buck personally in the past, was very bad IMO. Just like Mr Buck now wants to discuss NDAed material on public forums.

Personally, I don't want to see Amiga employees fighting a "Did so" / "Did not" game on public forums.

Come on Mike, let's stop being so negative on this.  It's high time we come together as a community.  It's certainly nice to see the major split/forks starting to merge back in together, lets not spoil it, shall we?

Dammy

[catohagen]

Nitpicking. The OS is there, available for Joe Public. And the Q-Box stuff is equivalent to OS5, OS4 to the A-Box.

ehm, for Joe Public ? why are they called Betatester
packages and aimed at developers and experienced
geeks ?

Why did the Mos 1.0 cd contain just an ISO of mos
and no docs ? Where are the docs ?

I would say Mos is still 5-6 months away before its
available to Joe Public.

So every mos-follower saying its here, you can use it
now, is just lying to get the sales numbers up...

[MarkTime]

I will weigh in with my two cents.

Over time I have heard the 'amiga name vs. amiga community argument' and I am unpursuaded.  Only Amiga, Inc. can produce an 'Amiga'.
Words have meaning. But still, I have heard the argument enough that I will consider Pegasos, so perhaps all the purposeful misuse of the english language had its impact.

But the fact remains, having looked at what I can of both, that morphos is still not finalized, OS 4 is not finalized, what appears of both of them, is that OS 4 will be the better product.

MorphOS, and this is the point I want to stress the most, is not AmigaOS compatible, because it missed the MOST IMPORTANT part of being AmigaOS compatible, and that is compatible with AmigaOS PowerPC applications.

Sure the old 68k stuff has some importance, but after PowerPC is standard on all newly bought Amigas...or pegasos boards if you must include them....then the 68k stuff will be old news very fast.

Don't get me wrong, you can't skip the step of being 68k code compatible and call yourself an Amiga, but then you must also be Amiga OS PowerPC compatible too!

You must make the effort to do that!  If you don't do that, then I personally will never buy a pegasos, because its too much money to gamble on the very unlikely event that the genesi community will hold more interest to me than the amiga community.

I have checked out the genesi websites, well just the one that I know about, and can easily find...morph-os-news.de....and it is not much of a community with only news occasionally.  It is much more interesting to check out news/discussion/happenings in the amiga community.

Lets face it, at amiga.org and ann.lu you can get all the happenings of the amiga community, including this splinter group genesi, but on the only genesi website I know of...you only get a small microcosm of the amiga community, a community already too small, and now much smaller, BLAH

and not to mention, where are the genesi newsgroups, genesi print magazines....

as small as the amiga community has become, the genesi community is only worse....now if someday they do the remarkable, and are truly the more interesting  community to be in, then I may switch, why not.

I will give them credit, when credit is due, but now all they have done is release a board that is nearly exactly the same as the AmigaOne board, and an OS, that at best is about as good as OS 4....

please, you are going to have to be better and better for a while....you are the underdog, you have to be BETTER....right now you have done an technically amazing thing, which is come close to being as good as Amiga, inc....which is amazing considering they had all the advantages, but......its just not good enough.

[System]

Hello,

"MorphOS, and this is the point I want to stress the most, is not AmigaOS compatible, because it missed the MOST IMPORTANT part of being AmigaOS compatible, and that is compatible with AmigaOS PowerPC applications.

Sure the old 68k stuff has some importance, but after PowerPC is standard on all newly bought Amigas...or pegasos boards if you must include them....then the 68k stuff will be old news very fast.

Don't get me wrong, you can't skip the step of being 68k code compatible and call yourself an Amiga, but then you must also be Amiga OS PowerPC compatible too!"

For your information, MorphOS is fully compatible with AmigaOS PowerPC applications using PowerUP or WarpUP.
So you can of course run your AmigaOS 68k software but of course also your AmigaOS WarpUP PowerPC software and PowerUP PowerPC software.

And in case you'll ask, you can also run your favorites Warp3D games.

Regards

[jedi]

@MikeB

> Hyperion have demonstrate that the AmigaOS kernel, ExecSG is fully functional on the AmigaOne already. Also many AmigaOS4 components have already been demonstrated at various Amiga shows.

Thanks, I already know and see all that ;-)
But that's only the beginning, the road will be still so long... and don't believe that the rest will be easier (even with the OS 3.1 source code and the some components ready).

In fact, the problems will begin when Hyperion will be able to start to test really the full AmigaOS4 with all components directly on AmigaOne... ;-)


> Yes, you can get more info on this offer here. The boards will be delivered before christmas if people order them now.

I know also that. But you will see that these AmigaOne XE G4 won't be delivered before Christmas even if people order them now... (for the moment, I think it's more reasonable to order AmigaOne G3 SE. At least, we are sure that AmigaOne G3 SE runs, on LinuxPPC... ;-).

[Senex]

For your information, MorphOS is fully compatible with AmigaOS PowerPC applications using PowerUP or WarpUP.

Just want to add the following from the latest press release for the game "Tales of Tamar":

"Tales of Tamar is now running on MorphOS for Amiga and Pegasos. It benefits form the WarpUP emulation in MorphOS, which even seems to be faster than the original."

[Senex]

@catohagen:

Neither you have to be a developer nor an experienced geek to already work with the Betatester-II package.

Furthermore that wasn't the point. The point was that something is available you can see, touch and (imagine!) even buy if you want.

OS4 (for AOne!) will still take ages - who knows what all can happen until then. Who clings to the name only may wait - that's okay, no problem for me. But this fact makes it a very valid reason for many other Amigans to forget about the name and choose what's available now and feels the same.

@HyperionMP:

Doesn't matter, that wasn't the point. We were talking about OS4.0 and MorphOS with the A-Box. And therefore the assumed lack of features the Q-Box itself currently has doesn't matter. The Q-Box should be rather compared to OS5 or the very, very least a much later 4.x-version than 4.0. Therefore the argument aiming at the Q-Box was void.

[System]

@ JoeAFUA

vFor your information, MorphOS is fully compatible with AmigaOS PowerPC applications using PowerUP or WarpUP.

Being PowerUp or WarpOS compatible is not the same as being PPC AmigaOS compatible. It is very unlikely that MorphOS would run native AmigaOS4 applications anytime soon.

[jedi]

@catohagen

"I would say Mos is still 5-6 months away before its
available to Joe Public."

You, guy, can you say me when AmigaOS4 will be fully available on AmigaOne to Joe Public ?... ;-)

Seriously, Pegasos with MorphOS 1.0 will be available to everybody at the Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 (in December as promised some months ago).

Of course it will be a 1.0 version, and like other OS (Windows, MacOS,...) there will be still some bugs, like AmigaOS4 when it will be available... (or AmigaOS 1.0 in 1985 ;-))

An Operating System on a Computer is NEVER finish...