Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?

[System]

A NDA is a *contract* like any other. Use good sense, please.  

I just wanted to say that it's forbidden by EU laws to put in a contract any clause that forbid one or both parts to make that contract public. And penalties for violation of such that clauses don't apply, of course.  If i ask a copy of that contract to B.H., he can give me it without worrying about Genesi's "retaliations".
(And it's perfectly lawful to publish that contract on the web.)

About case law...EU is not based on common law like your country. Is based on civil law. A case law doesn't rule for future cases, it'is a case judged by the civil law rules.

About urls, i always suppose that google is your friend in any post I make.

Hint: search for Treaty of Rome, Treaty of Amsterdam, and any EU country's civil code.

Wiccan? what are those? a kind of rascals?  :-D  :-D  :-D

Per gli italiani: la clausola di NDA su contratti e' una *clausola vessatoria*. Tali clausole sono *nulle* per legge. Cfr. codice civile.

[CodeSmith]

Interesting...

Bbrv, if it turns out that you are really allowed to post the contract (check with your lawer first!), you can post the relevant paragraphs (briefly explaining why they support your claims - we don't all read Lawyerese!) and I'll eat my words about you making "cryptic statements".  If it will help make the situation clearer (regardless of who's "right" or "wrong") then I'm all for it.

[strobe]

The Name™! The Name™!! THEEEE NAAAAAME™!!!!!!!

uuuung! UUUUUUUNGGGG!!!!

You corporate zealots are sad pathetic little creatures!

[Herewegoagain]

The Name™! The Name™!! THEEEE NAAAAAME™!!!!!!!

uuuung! UUUUUUUNGGGG!!!!

You corporate zealots are sad pathetic little creatures!

About as pathetic as you parasitic little creatures, I would assume.  Go build yourself a MOS support site, or better still, let your saviour BB&CO do it for you with all their endless cash flow to produce things.  I could care less about the name Amiga.  They could call it Pedigree for all I care.  But it is the one based on official Amiga code, and that's why I choose it.  Why do MOS supporters insist upon staying in the Amiga forums?

[CodeSmith]

He probably has some weird love-hate fetish thing going.  He can't stand it (can't even bring himself to type "amiga", it has to be "the name"), yet he is irresistibly drawn towards it...

 :-P

[Kaminari]

Senex and Jedi speak words of wisdom.

People condemning public discussions of commercial matters should never forget that we've been kept in the dark for years by the successive Amiga managers. I too would prefer that the executives out there settled their differences in a more constructive way; but that's sadly not the case, especially from the current Amiga owners which have been extremely conservative for more than two years.

Agreed, Mr Buck's public interventions sometimes appear like if they were spawn from the mouth of a Vorlon; but as cryptic as they are, I'm simply grateful to him to keep us informed -- something Mr Hermans (Almighty ANN's King of Trolls) has failed to achieve. I certainly don't see any kind of professionalism in his neverending no-no attitude -- but then again, what would you expect from a lawyer?

At least I do keep confidence in the rest of his staff, which I can see really hard at work. AmigaOS 4 development is too advanced to not become reality in a foreseeable future. And since last year, MorphOS has brought new prospects to my Amiga Classic which I would have never found possible.

We're different from our great ape cousins in that we don't necessarily have to 'choose the right side or die' in case of a stupid and tribal conflict (though some of us have already proved me wrong here). If you still have the urge to only swear by The Name, go have a look at the Atari Community and learn a lesson or two...

[CodeSmith]

@Kaminari:

What *did* happen to the Atari community?  (this is not a wind-up, I'm really curious. Seems like they went away at about the same time as Commodore, and I never did find out why).

[whabang]

www.atari.st

It's alive and kicking!

[CodeSmith]

Hmmm - from their "desktop.inf" (news) section:

"Another year has passed and the life of the ST seems to be as strong as ever. While emulation in general has faded from mainstream interest, the dedicated few still release and update new versions of their software."

Seems like they've reached the point we were headed for just a few months ago.  Let that be a warning, people - if we blow this (by which I mean AmigaOne/Pegasos/AmigaOS/Morphos), this time next year we could be reading this at the front page of amiga.org:

"Another year has passed and the life of the Amiga seems to be as strong as ever. While emulation in general has faded from mainstream interest, the dedicated few still release and update new versions of their software."

Scary, isn't it? :-o

[cdfr]

Does it hurt so much that MorphOS may be the AmigaOS PPC some people always wanted ?
If it is not your taste (and I guess you had no chance to try it, so it is obvious you are biased just because MorphOS is not called AmigaOS) then don't buy it but do not try to stop the people that are happy to share their MorphOS experience with others.

And about original code, each vesion of Amiga OS lost more and more of the original code.
The PPC port changes the heart of the OS you know.
So you should go back to OS 1.1 and shout out loud as soon as someone is using something newer. ;-)

Both AmigaOS4 and MorphOS ABOX tries to be as close as the original AmigaOS concepts. That's why more and more people like MorphOS  :-D

MorphOS is so far the closest AmigaOS system we ever had on recent HW.
Why should we ignore it ? Just because mister herewegoagain do not like that Amiga themselves have not been able to do such a OS as for now ?

Don't misunderstand me I'am not a blind MOS fan. I never said anything negative about OS4.
I will run OS4 as soon as it is available but why should I ignore MorphOS when

- I run MorphOS everyday on my Amiga
- I run all my Amiga apps with it
- It is done by the Amiga people that provided the first 68060, UWSCSI, PPC, RTG and other stuff to the Amiga

Do you cry out loud when someone is using an Amiga emulator is posting here ?
Do you cry out when there is an AROS post here ?

BOTH sides has blind followers but you can not ask the people to shut up when they want to to share their experience.

[Herewegoagain]

Does it hurt so much that MorphOS may be the AmigaOS PPC some people always wanted ?

Doesn't hurt me a bit.  It's not AmigaOS PPC and it NEVER WILL BE!  Not unless Geneside buys Amiga INC. out and makes it that way.

MorphOS is so far the closest AmigaOS system we ever had on recent HW.  Why should we ignore it ?

Because Amiga needs one unified direction to move forward, not half a dozen different variations that are all doing thier own thing.

Just because mister herewegoagain do not like that Amiga themselves have not been able to do such a OS as for now ?

Exactly the kind of comment I would expect from a MOS fanatic.

- I run MorphOS everyday on my Amiga

good for you

- I run all my Amiga apps with it

again, good for you

- It is done by the Amiga people that provided the first 68060, UWSCSI, PPC, RTG and other stuff to the Amiga

Doesn't matter, it's irrelavent.

BOTH sides has blind followers but you can not ask the people to shut up when they want to to share their experience.

Making posts of "News Items" that make it sound like you have control over Amiga's IP is not sharing an experience.  It is complete and deliberate stirring of trouble.  It the creation of FUD.  We all know the reason this was done, and why it was done at this time.  Don't try to pretend you cannot see how wrong this is.  It's this very kind of tactic that makes me sure I will NEVER purchase anything from BB & RS.  Rest assured!

[Senex]

Because Amiga needs one unified direction to move forward, not half a dozen different variations that are all doing thier own thing.

As I said already, in previous times I thought the same. pOS? No, no split! Etc. Hey, even when they wanted to create a MorphOS-Newsgroup, I voted - as still is documented - AGAINST it. Just no further splitting...!

But much time has passed. Products came from Genesi, lies from Amiga Inc. And especially incompetence in that very one important function the respective owner of the Amiga trademark has to fulfill: leadership. The ability to lead the projects, the development and the users of the Amiga market.

So in my opinion Amiga Inc. lost any right to claim their way as the only one.

Okay, finally - veeery late - they reconsidered regarding the option of a PPC-AmigaOS (instead of DE only), and again much time later they gave the project into the hands of people who seem to be able to finally create an OS4.

BUT, and that is the second point, in the meantime - while of OS4 currently just the kernel is running on the AmigaOne -, there already is a product purchaseable that could, from the look&feel etc., as well be called "AmigaOS4".

Therefore - all the lost time in all the years since Commodore's bankruptcy and AI's many changes in direction in the past, etc. - and because we all do know how much could happen suddenly until OS4 really would be released (Who doubted Gateway would bring us a new, modern AmigaOS, for example?), some people, like me, prefer today, in 2002, to choose that option that's actually here and represents all we ever wanted.

[cdfr]

"Exactly the kind of comment I would expect from a MOS fanatic."

Truth hurts I'am so MOS fanatic that I'am gona get OS4 as soon as it is released.
Oh and I never criticized OS4 in any way, I just criticized that the release date were obviously wrong (and that was a long time ago).

"Making posts of "News Items" that make it sound like you have control over Amiga's IP is not sharing an experience. It is complete and deliberate stirring of trouble. "

well first I thought you were complaining about users posting here in general, not this particular post.

So who made this post ? Did it come from Thendic themselve ?

It was posted by a user as this information was given by Bill Buck in a previous thread comment.
It was not posted b Bill buck as a new item.
It is not really news as such agreement was done way back and discussed on Amiganews.de

Now it looks that the partners that became competitiors do not agree anymore on the terms of the contract.  :-?

I puchased a lot of things from RS and if I did not I would not have been an amigan anymore since 1994.
I guess that I'am not the only one ...
BTW I still use these products every day and I'am pleased with them.  :-D

Soon I will have a Pegasos  :-D

[bbrv]

Thanks to all the sound minds on this thread.

MorphOS, AmigaOS4 or DE...it is an individual choice.

Pegasos, A1, or whatever...!

Have fun using your computer.

Sincerely,

R&B  :-)  !