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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #269 from previous page: August 17, 2017, 02:22:24 PM »
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I am sure you are aware of the HW features. You can read more about the softcore here: http://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/doku.php/start

And you can always visit the IRC channel and communicate with the team directly....


... where Gunnar will tell you not to trust anything on the wiki you mention.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #270 on: August 17, 2017, 03:12:08 PM »
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... where Gunnar will tell you not to trust anything on the wiki you mention.

 The HW specs are very clear, right ? Type of FPGA, amount of memory, slots, connectors....

If you dont trust the wiki, go and ask Gunnar or other team members, they are very happy to answer any technical question.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #271 on: August 17, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »
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Is it that hard to read about the features on the official site ?

Or should Gunnar pay a visit to every Amiga user and draw it out to them ?

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The HW specs are very clear, right ? Type of FPGA, amount of memory, slots, connectors....

If you dont trust the wiki, go and ask Gunnar or other team members, they are very happy to answer any technical question.

Which one is it? Should everybody go and ask Gunnar individually about what features the Vampire has, or shouldn't? :confused: Also I'm still looking for that official website with this info.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #272 on: August 17, 2017, 04:43:28 PM »
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Which one is it? Should everybody go and ask Gunnar individually about what features the Vampire has, or shouldn't? :confused: Also I'm still looking for that official website with this info.


Vampire features are very clear. Altera Cyclone 3 FPGA, 128MB Ram, microSD card slot, V500+ version has IDE and expansion port as extra. But you can keep waiting, I dont think anybody cares....
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #273 on: August 17, 2017, 05:15:03 PM »
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Vampire features are very clear. Altera Cyclone 3 FPGA, 128MB Ram, microSD card slot, V500+ version has IDE and expansion port as extra. But you can keep waiting, I dont think anybody cares....
Thanks for you too for proving my point. Next! :hammer:
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #274 on: August 17, 2017, 05:42:50 PM »
Vampire 600 v2 and Vampire 500 V2+ is delivered with the Gold 2 version of the Apollo core.

What you get is a 100% 68k cpu that is:
-Fully Pipelined
-Superscalar
-Executes up to 4 instructions per clock cycle
-Two address calculation engines
-Two integer execution engines
-Market leading code density
-Optimal cache utilization
-Separate data and instruction caches, supporting concurrent fetch/read/write per clock cycle
-Automatic memory prefetching
-Memory stream detection
-Store buffer
-Branch prediction

also upgrades as
- New Special Purpose Register (including rich set of Performance counters)
- 64 Bit wide Register (Als Dn-Regs are 64 bit wide)
- Apollo has 16 Pointer Registers and 32 Data register it can use.
- These Registers can be used both with AMMX and with every normal instruction.
- AMMX
- MPU 'Memory Protection' Unit, that allows to detects and protects from Illegal Memory Access
- CPU counters

AMMX is the 68k version of the MMX instruction set from INTEL.
-Both MMX and AMMX allow to run SIMD instructions.
-Both support the same type of operations.
-Both allow to operate directly on Register or to use Memory as Input operand.
-AMMX enhanced MMX in such a way that if offers
a) 3 Operand operations
b) Does not limit the programmer to 8 Register but allows him to use up to 32 Registers.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #275 on: August 17, 2017, 06:13:06 PM »
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Vampire 600 v2 and Vampire 500 V2+ is delivered with the Gold 2 version of the Apollo core.

What you get is a 100% 68k cpu that is:
-Fully Pipelined
-Superscalar
-Executes up to 4 instructions per clock cycle
-Two address calculation engines
-Two integer execution engines
-Market leading code density
-Optimal cache utilization
-Separate data and instruction caches, supporting concurrent fetch/read/write per clock cycle
-Automatic memory prefetching
-Memory stream detection
-Store buffer
-Branch prediction

also upgrades as
- New Special Purpose Register (including rich set of Performance counters)
- 64 Bit wide Register (Als Dn-Regs are 64 bit wide)
- Apollo has 16 Pointer Registers and 32 Data register it can use.
- These Registers can be used both with AMMX and with every normal instruction.
- AMMX
- MPU 'Memory Protection' Unit, that allows to detects and protects from Illegal Memory Access
- CPU counters

AMMX is the 68k version of the MMX instruction set from INTEL.
-Both MMX and AMMX allow to run SIMD instructions.
-Both support the same type of operations.
-Both allow to operate directly on Register or to use Memory as Input operand.
-AMMX enhanced MMX in such a way that if offers
a) 3 Operand operations
b) Does not limit the programmer to 8 Register but allows him to use up to 32 Registers.

Can you be more specific?
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #276 on: August 18, 2017, 09:04:13 PM »
@Nickman
Thanks! Is this verified by the Apollo Team? I remember Gunnar saying that the GOLD 2 core has no 64-bit support.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #277 on: August 19, 2017, 06:50:31 AM »
http://distrita.com/alert-important-notice-apollo-team-is-asking-for-your-help/

Someone explain to me what is happening with this registration stuff ???

The Facebook Amiga group is discussing it..., So the Apollo team kick out Kipper2k from the group over a disagreement, (Vampire would not be what it is today without kipper), and now want people with boards to send them back so they can implement a registration system ?

Uhhhh no thanks !
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #278 on: August 19, 2017, 07:56:22 AM »
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http://distrita.com/alert-important-notice-apollo-team-is-asking-for-your-help/

Someone explain to me what is happening with this registration stuff ???

The Facebook Amiga group is discussing it..., So the Apollo team kick out Kipper2k from the group over a disagreement, (Vampire would not be what it is today without kipper), and now want people with boards to send them back so they can implement a registration system ?

Uhhhh no thanks !


So where is the source of the info you have about Brian getting kicked?

From his own homepage;

http://www.kipper2k.com/

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Hi all,  Just a quick note to give you update on my status. I took a big hit on bad board production recently which has put a huge dent money wise on what  i can and want to do in the future.  I am going to exhaust all my supply of different projects that i have sitting about and will then kinda fizzle away and just do a few projects only. I don't intend on continuing with making the Vampire 600 boards and i will be exhausting those items also. Thanks for everyones support.

 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #279 on: August 19, 2017, 08:41:50 AM »
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http://distrita.com/alert-important-notice-apollo-team-is-asking-for-your-help/

Someone explain to me what is happening with this registration stuff ???

The Facebook Amiga group is discussing it..., So the Apollo team kick out Kipper2k from the group over a disagreement, (Vampire would not be what it is today without kipper), and now want people with boards to send them back so they can implement a registration system ?

Uhhhh no thanks !

This is not true, Brian left himself because of issue's with lots of faulty boards he got from the manufacturer that produced it for him.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #280 on: August 19, 2017, 08:50:16 AM »
And I will add gronds post on EAB;

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Kipper was not kicked from the team. He decided to leave because he was burnt out from all the stress and exhaustion which accumulated over the years. Him having become a grandad recently surely also has played a role. Whoever spreads this nonsense on facebook has no clue or is trying to harm the project.


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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #281 on: August 19, 2017, 10:01:22 AM »
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@Nickman
Thanks! Is this verified by the Apollo Team? I remember Gunnar saying that the GOLD 2 core has no 64-bit support.

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=223
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=758

Apollo was always 64-bit. But over time the support has improved and refined.

Maybe you are thinking of this?
Using such features APOLLO is able to accelerate and improve old existing 68k programs. Several of these "intelligent-rewrites" will be enabled in the next GOLD release of APOLLO.
from this post 18-jan 2016.
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=251
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #282 on: August 19, 2017, 11:16:00 AM »
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http://distrita.com/alert-important-notice-apollo-team-is-asking-for-your-help/

Someone explain to me what is happening with this registration stuff ???

The Facebook Amiga group is discussing it..., So the Apollo team kick out Kipper2k from the group over a disagreement, (Vampire would not be what it is today without kipper), and now want people with boards to send them back so they can implement a registration system ?

Uhhhh no thanks !


Huh??  Send them back???
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #283 on: August 19, 2017, 02:59:02 PM »
I feel bad for Kipper, this bad production must have been truly soul crushing.
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #284 on: August 19, 2017, 07:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Nickman;829791
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=223
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=758

Apollo was always 64-bit. But over time the support has improved and refined.

Maybe you are thinking of this?
Using such features APOLLO is able to accelerate and improve old existing 68k programs. Several of these "intelligent-rewrites" will be enabled in the next GOLD release of APOLLO.
from this post 18-jan 2016.
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=251
I'm not privy to the internal workings of the Apollo Core, nor the core used by the Vampire 2. I tried to look it up quickly, but I couldn't find the quote about the 64-bit support. I thought it was on aros-exec, but I remembered wrong. Maybe it was from grond here?
You didn't answer my other question, so I wager this is an unofficial list compiled by you. If that's the case, kudos to you :) I hope they will add it to their website after it has been checked against the actual feature list. Then again, the V2+ will probably be EOL by that time :o
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