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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #284 from previous page: August 19, 2017, 07:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Nickman;829791
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=223
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=758

Apollo was always 64-bit. But over time the support has improved and refined.

Maybe you are thinking of this?
Using such features APOLLO is able to accelerate and improve old existing 68k programs. Several of these "intelligent-rewrites" will be enabled in the next GOLD release of APOLLO.
from this post 18-jan 2016.
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=251
I'm not privy to the internal workings of the Apollo Core, nor the core used by the Vampire 2. I tried to look it up quickly, but I couldn't find the quote about the 64-bit support. I thought it was on aros-exec, but I remembered wrong. Maybe it was from grond here?
You didn't answer my other question, so I wager this is an unofficial list compiled by you. If that's the case, kudos to you :) I hope they will add it to their website after it has been checked against the actual feature list. Then again, the V2+ will probably be EOL by that time :o
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #285 on: August 19, 2017, 08:07:08 PM »
I have in mind 64 bit is still not implemented
because the
LOAD   (A0)+,D1       ; load 8 bytes

(thats how you load 64 bit from memory to a 64 bit register, of course you have to enable the AMMX stuff before)

is not implemented in Gold 2 / Gold 2.5, I guess thats the reason for Gold 2.7

see also:
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=6763&x=1
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #286 on: August 19, 2017, 08:26:05 PM »
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I feel bad for Kipper, this bad production must have been truly soul crushing.


It crushed his finances from the sound of it thats terrible. Though im not sure why the company doesnt refund the money for a bad prodcution......
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #287 on: August 19, 2017, 10:28:31 PM »
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You didn't answer my other question, so I wager this is an unofficial list compiled by you. If that's the case, kudos to you :) I hope they will add it to their website after it has been checked against the actual feature list. Then again, the V2+ will probably be EOL by that time :o


Well I didn't make the list from nothing. All I typed is from apollo-core.com and http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com

So depends on how you want define official.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #288 on: August 20, 2017, 10:54:22 AM »
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Well I didn't make the list from nothing. All I typed is from apollo-core.com and http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com

So depends on how you want define official.
Sure, but we were told continually that the Apollo Core and Vampire are "two separate products", and we shouldn't expect the features listed there to be available on the Vampire. We are also told to buy the Vampire "for the features in currently has", yet no one can really tell which ones it has and which ones hasn't. Know what I mean?
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #289 on: August 20, 2017, 12:08:20 PM »
@bszili
i understand your considerations. especially its a matter of opinion if the whole apollo approach is (even if closed for most part) a community driven anarchist project or already a business with all its consequences.

however from (potential) users practical point of view it seems that all that is actually a non issue. the vampire boards are sought for, im certain if you putchase and actually got hold of one and then realize that the product is not up to your expectations, you should still be able to sell it, perhaps even with some gain on your part.

i see these all discussions, arguments valid or not, as an attempt on forcing the project in certain direction. alas, for better or worse, its not possible to satisfy everybody, and so the choices that also in this case may be unpopular with some, will always be taken.

i see vampire/apollo project simply as an interesting option. it may not be completely along the lines, what i think is best. but im satisfied with dynamics it wakes. and if i have doubts, i might propose an alternative but would never think of demanding anything from people who do actual work.
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #290 on: August 20, 2017, 01:12:49 PM »
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trying to find out what features the Vampire currently has = trying to force the project into a certain direction
Honk-honk!

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #291 on: August 20, 2017, 10:59:27 PM »
@bszili
i wasnt talking particularly about you but about the kind of discussions arising around the apollo/vampire project. even if i dont know the internals about the state of the project i personally dont mind waiting till situation clarifies. certainly whoever needs to have fastest amiga ever just immediately, may take some risks, such as the project may develop its mechanisms and concepts as they go and eventually even drop support for previous models.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #292 on: August 21, 2017, 04:24:54 PM »
Again, you are moving the goalpost. Since we've come full circle, it's safe to conclude that information about the features currently available in the Vampire cards is not available.
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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #293 on: August 21, 2017, 06:34:30 PM »
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Again, you are moving the goalpost. Since we've come full circle, it's safe to conclude that information about the features currently available in the Vampire cards is not available.
Maybe you should reread the first post.

Or look here.
http://www.apollo-accelerators.com/files/V4_announcement_v1_5.pdf
http://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/doku.php#specifications
http://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/doku.php/apollo_core
http://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/doku.php/saga_core_registers
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #295 on: August 21, 2017, 08:44:22 PM »
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Maybe he is just blind, or a standard troll....

bszili is certainly not a troll. he delivered really a lot of software (ports) for all amigoid platforms and been supportive even though sometimes critical about them all. the more i wonder about his insistence in this case, even though i can sense and partly understand his disappointment. i think a number of people who have been either closely involved in or expectant about this project, became now critical. love lost..
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #296 on: August 21, 2017, 10:19:27 PM »
Re Kippa:

Kippa had said he was going to leave Vampire production after the run of V600's were done.

But he took a bath on a bad board run, when the factory stopped replying to messages on the matter he lost quite a bit of time and money. He decided to just retire from the project after the loss as it was a bit much.

Not trying to speak for him but he wasn't "kicked". I don't see him doing production again as the rigors of it all are a bit much.

All in all a stand up guy... A real prince in the Amiga scene with all the add ons he's produced over the years.
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #297 on: August 21, 2017, 10:26:01 PM »
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Again, you are moving the goalpost. Since we've come full circle, it's safe to conclude that information about the features currently available in the Vampire cards is not available.


This has some info
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=3607
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #298 on: August 22, 2017, 01:53:26 AM »
Quote from: Crom00;829885
This has some info
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=3607


That link appears to have been edited, no mention of FPU.
 

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Re: Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4
« Reply #299 on: August 22, 2017, 02:14:20 PM »
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Sure, but we were told continually that the Apollo Core and Vampire are "two separate products", and we shouldn't expect the features listed there to be available on the Vampire. We are also told to buy the Vampire "for the features in currently has", yet no one can really tell which ones it has and which ones hasn't. Know what I mean?


Only thing missing from the full Apollo core is the FPU that i know of.
And that is what most "trolls" like to point out.
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