Speed rankings of Next Gen hardware

[WolfToTheMoon]

However, newer high end models bring older SAMs and AmigaOnes to market used at affordable prices.

That's true, but Teron A1s are buggy, SAMs are slow. So, except Peg 2, there isn't anything attractive in the second-hand OS4 market either.

[dammy]

I complain about the cost of entry of Aos4 all the time.  and yet..



Doesn't change the fact that personally I think Aros is a better system.

So what should be the entry level for any of the "NG" Amigaoid systems?

[Blizz1220]

So what should be the entry level for any of the "NG" Amigaoid systems?

A large piece of strawberry cake and an orange juice ? :drink:

[dammy]

A large piece of strawberry cake and an orange juice ? :drink:

What, no raspberries?

Dammy

[Blizz1220]

What, no raspberries?

Dammy

You make 'em buy their own damn raspberries :lol:

[ChaosLord]

No, you can`t run OS4 software on those. I also throught I will never be able to afford X1000 but will pay it in 60 months (59 now).

I don't expect to be able  to run OS4 software on MorphOS machines.

What I really meant, I guess, is "If I write a game that works perfectly on MorphOS G4/G5 then can I recompile the code using OS4 include files and it will work perfectly?"

Or are they just too incompatible with each other?

Is there a list somewhere of all the incompatibilities between OS3, OS4 and MorphOS?

As a developer I am totally confused about what functions I am allowed to use that will still work on other platforms as advertised.

[OlafS3]

No there is no list showing differences. Think why developers have different sources or (what is more propable) only support one system. 68k (classic), AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS are all different. There are lot of small differences.

[Terminills]

We could run this on each machine tested to see the strength and weaknesses of each machine.

http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=downloads

lol here's my aros box. Mind you I built this machine for Aros 4 years ago(Only has DDR2 Memory).

I will run again after I upgrade it.

[itix]

I don't expect to be able  to run OS4 software on MorphOS machines.

What I really meant, I guess, is "If I write a game that works perfectly on MorphOS G4/G5 then can I recompile the code using OS4 include files and it will work perfectly?"

Or are they just too incompatible with each other?

Is there a list somewhere of all the incompatibilities between OS3, OS4 and MorphOS?

As a developer I am totally confused about what functions I am allowed to use that will still work on other platforms as advertised.

If you use OS3 API then it is compatible with OS4 and MorphOS. Sometimes you have to tweak your code because you may have to tell the operating system that this code is PPC native now. (*)

Only restriction is that there is no support for BCPL anymore and hardware resources no longer exist.

However if you are supporting OS3 I dont see any reason to make PPC native compiles. You are only wasting your time and adds complexity (*). You can still use most of new MorphOS APIs from 68k code if you need it.

So I would just consider PPC native builds as an unnecessary micro optimization.

*) In Magellan porting project those issues escalated. The 68k compile works just fine on all platforms but things were getting worse when we had to get all sublibaries working on all platforms. OS4 library system is totally incompatible with OS3 and MorphOS at source code level and  MorphOS libraries are sometimes incompatible to OS3 at source code level. So great amount of glue code had to be written and if/when AROS port is done there will be more...

[wawrzon]

If you use OS3 API then it is compatible with OS4 and MorphOS. Sometimes you have to tweak your code because you may have to tell the operating system that this code is PPC native now. (*)

Only restriction is that there is no support for BCPL anymore and hardware resources no longer exist.

However if you are supporting OS3 I dont see any reason to make PPC native compiles. You are only wasting your time and adds complexity (*). You can still use most of new MorphOS APIs from 68k code if you need it.

So I would just consider PPC native builds as an unnecessary micro optimization.

*) In Magellan porting project those issues escalated. The 68k compile works just fine on all platforms but things were getting worse when we had to get all sublibaries working on all platforms. OS4 library system is totally incompatible with OS3 and MorphOS at source code level and  MorphOS libraries are sometimes incompatible to OS3 at source code level. So great amount of glue code had to be written and if/when AROS port is done there will be more...

very good point

[ChaosLord]

@Itix

Thanx for  the infos!  I will stick with Motorola ByteCodes FTW!

And please don't let them break SASC compatiblity for the Classic building.

"I never used a proper debugger" is not an excuse to destroy compatibility with the debugger.


p.s. Good luck with upgrading Magellan!

[OlafS3]

there AROS has its strength. The developer of Antyriad GX ported it in only a couple of days to X64/X86/PPC and 68k. 68k version made some problems because of missing SDK, I hope to improve the situation by creating more online-docu including better documentation of differences.

[yssing]

I complain about the cost of entry of Aos4 all the time.  and yet..



Doesn't change the fact that personally I think Aros is a better system.

No one twisted your arm.

[nicholas]

You won't hear any compliants from me about the sam440 from me, I am quite happy with it.

For those who need to use a mac g5, use it with mos and be happy with it. Those who need x86 or arm can use aros and be happy with it.

The rest of us who wants to use AOS4.x use that and are happy with it.

The people I see complaining about AOS4.x are most likely not users of AOS4.x and probably never will be. And funny as their nagging are, it is also becoming very boring.

I don't think anyone is complaining about OS4.

People are complaining that they would like to run OS4 but are unimpressed with the limited range of hardware available to run OS4 on.

I haven't used OS4 on my own hardware since I sold my BPPC a few years ago but if Hyperion ported it to Macs I'd buy a copy the day it was released, just like many Peg2 owners did.

[Terminills]

No one twisted your arm.

How do you know?  Hell my shoulder could still be dislocated because of the arm twisting.

[vox]

I don't think anyone is complaining about OS4.

People are complaining that they would like to run OS4 but are unimpressed with the limited range of hardware available to run OS4 on.

I haven't used OS4 on my own hardware since I sold my BPPC a few years ago but if Hyperion ported it to Macs I'd buy a copy the day it was released, just like many Peg2 owners did.

I will just say that other way around works too: many SAM and X1000 users would like to see MorphOS on their system. SAM 460 port is good way to go, sadly MOS team refused Nemo board from Trevor.