Commodore trademark has a new daddy

[Akiko]

I agreee... If the rumors that they have also bought amiga.org are true... Myself and most others will be leaving for amigaworld or other options leaving this place to be an internet ghosttown. Much like cusa.org or whatever they have now if you look at it that proves that they sold maybe 100 computers,
to uninformed dumbasses.



I hope the rumors are not true.

Can someone at DiscreetFX confirm or deny these rumours?

If this is the case I'm out of here.

[Darrin]

Can someone at DiscreetFX confirm or deny these rumours?

If this is the case I'm out of here.

Well it would be one way for Barry to delete the accounts of people he's sent nasty PMs to.  Make sure you've saved them if you've got some.  I have.  I'm sure they'll come in useful in the near future.  

[EDanaII]

I find this speculation kinda doubtful, since they already have Commodore-Amiga.org, but, never say "never" I guess...

[amigadave]

As one of the voters thereon, I'd like to note that there's a big difference between not thinking that a blanket ban on CUSA discussion is a good idea and wanting people to keep copypasting every decree issued forth from Barry's keyboard.

Your over exaggeration has little to do with what I just posted and does not excuse the behavior that goes on here every day by children that can't control their feelings toward CUSA.

[vox]

Stay tuned for the further adventures of Commodore USA.....and btw, this news has NOTHING to do with our major announcements that will be forthcoming shortly.
Barry

Famous part of all times. Every announcement has to be followed by next big announcement that has nothing to do ...

[actung_bab]

News from digitex via http://www.commodore-amiga.org/

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/11229-commodore-trademark-has-a-new-daddy--#11229

(News article from site reprinted below for your convenience)

 After months of hard work and international legal filings, I am thrilled to finally announce that Commodore Holdings (C Holdings), which is the corporate entity that owns and holds the trademark IP "Commodore" is no longer a part of or a division of Asiarim Corp. The stock in Commodore Holdings was pledged as collateral years ago, and 100% ownership of that company is now in the hands of a new group (wonder who that can be?). Additionally, a ruling came down this afternoon from the Netherlands court that has formally put Commodore Licensing B.V. into involuntary bankruptcy. This bankruptcy proceeding was initiated by this same group. Asiarim and whatever else is left of it will shortly be following suit. The Netherlands court will be appointing a receiver for the bankrupt parties within the next day or two.

Stay tuned for the further adventures of Commodore USA.....and btw, this news has NOTHING to do with our major announcements that will be forthcoming shortly.

Happy New Year everyone. I wish each and every one of you, our customers, supporters and forum members, health and happiness in 2012.

Barry

hows someone going broke good news you are cynlical bunch arent you.

As far as i remember that private company had nothing to do with amiga

just used the commodore brand name hows this news for the amiga

Thats like saying good news the old mini back Morris brand name is comming back

Oh yeah they already did that called the new bmw mini we put morris badge on it that fix it , hay its got huge wheels and like twice the size .. shhh no one will notice
Just details hehe

[actung_bab]

Maybe the soap opera keeps some interested. I have to admit I check here to see whats the latest drama.

Some of the soap opera...Its definitely kept me interested in amiga goings on I suppose.

As far as CUSA I don't think they ever can recover from their past.

Its hard to forgive a "company" that is based on lies, half truths, website text stolen from apple, fake pictures, all the announcements of new products that never see the light of day, stickers slapped on existing products, claims of a 30 million dollar advertising budget, insulting every other amiga camp, stolen website graphics, claims of their products in retail stores that never become truth, claims they will make 25,000$ workstations with an amiga badge that never materialize as real products and so much more.

If they just shut up, stop lying, stop running on hype and deliver real products instead of hype and lies, people could evaluate and base their opinions on what they produce (instead of basing your opinion on their long list of bull****) maybe they would garner better support from retro fans and amiga enthusiasts.

The Amiga curse is in full effect on them. They are like the perfect continuation of a long list of Amiga grave robbers making wild claims and never delivering anything of any real value to people who care about Amiga.

To me, it just appears to be some guy with some money who is paying to fuel some fantasy that he is the owner of a company he once respected and liked in his younger years, and he's doing a horrible job of it so far.

AND I think the legal stuff with amiga is a real joke. I still think everyone who cares about amiga should make and start selling their own version of a new commodore amiga, put the boingball, checkmark and Commdore AMIGA logo on it and lets see if they can really claim ownership of those things and prove it.
Barry, Silly Billy and all the other amiga grave robbers would bankrupt themselves trying to prove ownership, when the real truth is they can't.

So far, no one has ever proven in court they own roms, logos, trademarks, or anything else related to amiga. What especially AINC does not want you to know is that since they illegally transferred "assets" to a shell to avoid paying back investors (a criminal act) they can not continue to profit from that criminal act, ask any attorney. Yet they have for years and we've let them.

The truth is they can't really prove ownership of anything. Just like cloanto can't really prove why it has been robbing the amiga community for years for roms that are 15+ years old now that no one really owns.

And we all just let the amiga grave robbers continue to try and rob people for a history and a legacy that WE the users should really own.

Meanwhile, there are worthwhile projects like AROS, Icaros, AEROS, IMICA,MORPHOS, Netami, minimig/minimigaga and so on being developed by people who obviously have a real passion for amiga. They can't use the amiga name, boingball or whatever because the amiga grave robbers won't let them.
Yeah that makes sense...
Steven

all all can be said in one sentance

Those that Talk the talk dont listen to them the ones in background doing the work
and getting on with the job hmmm wonder who that chould be lives not far from here
where i live .. and you have the other lot ... talk is cheap action speak lounder than words
my friends, franko is good man all am going to say

[kolla]

TIC/Check mark

Good luck defending that one, it was abandoned a _long_ time ago.

[dammy]

Good luck defending that one, it was abandoned a _long_ time ago.

URL if you have one handy.

[cgutjahr]

URL if you have one handy.

There is no URL, as the checkmark never was a registered trademark. But it's still a trademark  that you can defend, provided you actually use it in your products.

Here's a challenge for you, dammy: What was the last time, the checkmark was used in a product? (everybody: It's a challenge for dammy, please let him answer this one).

[dammy]

There is no URL, as the checkmark never was a registered trademark. But it's still a trademark  that you can defend, provided you actually use it in your products.

Here's a challenge for you, dammy: What was the last time, the checkmark was used in a product? (everybody: It's a challenge for dammy, please let him answer this one).

Common Law still applies, just makes it tougher to defend is all.

[persia]

If it's never been a registered trademark, then the first company to register it gets it....

[cgutjahr]

Common Law still applies, just makes it tougher to defend is all.

That's a non-answer, dammy. Here's some food for thought:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademarks#Maintaining_rights

Note the terms "five years" and "abandonment". I'm with Kolla here: "Good luck defending that one" - unless, of course, the trademark was registered and I simply missed it. Still waiting for an answer from Barry on that one. He should know.

And you seemed to have missed the second part of my posting, so let me repeat it here:

Here's a challenge for you, dammy: What was the last time the checkmark was used in a product?

[yssing]

Oh yes, we need some clarification on that amiga.org rumour.

[dammy]

That's a non-answer, dammy.

Yes it is a answer.  You may not like it, but that is your problem.

http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426712

And you seemed to have missed the second part of my posting, so let me repeat it here:

No, I didn't miss it. I just don't care.

[cgutjahr]

Yes it is a answer.  You may not like it, but that is your problem.

http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426712

We all know that one can defend non-registered trademarks, I already acknowledged that three days ago.

But to be defendable, it has to be in active use - that's why I pointed you to the Wikipedia article, which says "five years". I'm all interested in more precise documentation, but your above link is useless in this context.

No, I didn't miss it. I just don't care.

If you don't care, why do you make claims about AInc/CUSA being able to defend it? To determine if they are able to defend it, you need to know the mark's last use in commerce.

So, once again: If it's not registered and you don't know when it was last used commercially, on what grounds do you claim that anybody owns enforcable rights regarding this mark?