Commodore trademark has a new daddy

[Karlos]

So the trademarks are now officially owned by Nicholas then? This is excellent news! Thank goodness for that, someone we can actually trust for once.

:lol:

[Karlos]

[Reads TOS]  Hrmmm could you point out where being "smug, holier-than-thou attitude sprinkled with elitism" is against TOS?   I must have missed it.

It isn't. And neither is expressing your opinion provided that you don't violate the TOS itself. I think it's a bit unfair to jump on J Golden for this, it's not as if he actually banned anybody; he merely expressed his opinion that Dammy's posts were deliberately divisive.

What he probably doesn't realise is that Dammy has been around a long time and when he gets behind something, he does tend to do so fully and without reservation. Today it's CUSA which has not had the best of beginnings with the amiga community and so his cheerleading naturally stirs up resentment. However, I don't think that's necessarily intentional. After all, I can recall a time when it was AROS, rather than CUSA, that he was behind with more or less the same level of enthusiasm.

[Amiga_Nut]

From the man who illegally put C= logo stickers on rubbish Chinese PC in a keyboard machines 'just to clarify who does own the copyright' I am pretty sure he is doing this to see if anyone rears their ugly head and claims the copyright. We all know what a minefield this whole thing is.

As stated the boing ball is not a registered trademark except maybe to the original programmers from 1984/85 who created it who were not owned by Commodore then. The tick was on the original A1000 so maybe. I don't know. I'm guessing it's all more of Barry's mind games/pathetic tactics.

Even if it was true you can't stop other people using existing casings out there to make them into entirely new/different architecture machines, even as a basis for a business anyway

[EDanaII]

It isn't. And neither is expressing your opinion provided that you don't violate the TOS itself. I think it's a bit unfair to jump on J Golden for this, it's not as if he actually banned anybody; he merely expressed his opinion that Dammy's posts were deliberately divisive.

Unfortunately, I don't agree with this, Karlos. As a moderator, he needs to show a little more even handedness. If he ever does "moderate" someone, actions like the above will call his decisions into question.

[Karlos]

Unfortunately, I don't agree with this, Karlos. As a moderator, he needs to show a little more even handedness. If he ever does "moderate" someone, actions like the above will call his decisions into question.

Moderators are still entitled to opinions, even if they should know better when and how to word them.

As for the crux of your argument, in my experience, moderator decisions are always called into question on forums like this, no matter how even-handed you try to be.

If we could all try to keep a bit more civil whenever our favourite pet hate subject crops up, we'd all get on fine.

[Darrin]

Moderators are still entitled to opinions, even if they should know better when and how to word them.

As for the crux of your argument, in my experience, moderator decisions are always called into question on forums like this, no matter how even-handed you try to be.

If we could all try to keep a bit more civil whenever our favourite pet hate subject crops up, we'd all get on fine.

Surely deliberate "trolling" is against the rules.

If so, it is easy to class Dammy's continuing posts praising C-USA as the Second Coming while ignoring their past actions as a deliberate attempt to provoke the members of Amiga.org.

All Golden was doing was pointing this out, so his actions were well within what I would expect from the moderation staff.

[VingtTrois]

http://technologizer.com/2012/01/04/before-pcs-there-were-digital-watches/

[runequester]

http://technologizer.com/2012/01/04/before-pcs-there-were-digital-watches/

There’s even a modern-day Commodore selling a Intel-based Commodore 64. It would have every right to start hawking watches, I suppose. But unless its timepieces, like my Time Master, are custom-designed products based on the company’s own technologies and components, I won’t be tempted. We Commodore watch owners, you see, tend to be kind of snobbish.

:lol:

[commodorejohn]

Hah, nice. Good to know that some people in the tech press still know how to spot a poser

[CritAnime]

Man I would love one of them. I love the way the red LED's look.

Actually I know this is off topic but do those digits look more like Vacuum fluorescent displays to you rather than LED's?

[EDanaII]

Surely deliberate "trolling" is against the rules.

If so, it is easy to class Dammy's continuing posts praising C-USA as the Second Coming while ignoring their past actions as a deliberate attempt to provoke the members of Amiga.org.

That's quite a leap, classing Dammy's post as trolling. Even Karlos offered an explanation for them as something other than that.

The real problem here is that most of the (extreme) CUSA haters are so blinded by their hate that if CUSA so muched as farted, they'd damn Barry for the destruction of the Earth from CUSA-caused global warming.

Most of these so-called horrific actions that have heretofore been "commited" by CUSA any moderate person would chalk up to mistakes, foolishness or simple human failings... But not CUSA, no, Barry is far worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung combined! :rolleyes:

And for this Dammy is trolling? Gimmee a break. I'm no CUSA lover and I agree that Dammy's enthusiasm can be somewhat blind but I'm not so blinded by hatred that I exagerate everything he or anyone else does to defend CUSA just so I can justify my own hatred.

[Puts on flame-proof suit]


@ Karlos:

Moderators are still entitled to opinions, even if they should know better when and how to word them.

Agreed. And that's my only concern regarding JGolden's opinion. However, this really was over the line:

It is fair to say that I'm using my full restraint to keep from banning you for a week.

Why? Because Dammy doesn't agree with the haters? I don't agree with the haters and I don't agree with Dammy. I certainly wouldn't have threatened to ban him. I would have asked Dammy to cool it, but I'd also ask the haters to cool it too.

As for the crux of your argument, in my experience, moderator decisions are always called into question on forums like this, no matter how even-handed you try to be.

Sorry, Karlos, I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but two wrongs don't make a right. As you've already stated, JGolden should have been a little more careful in stating his opinion. That's my only beef. I simply thought his response was tacky. VERY tacky, but tacky, just the same...

If we could all try to keep a bit more civil whenever our favourite pet hate subject crops up, we'd all get on fine.

Yep. Which is why all moderators should be asking BOTH sides to moderate and not taking one side over the other...

[Tension]

Can I be the first to make a Nazi reference please. There, done.

[EDanaII]

Too late! :p

[commodorejohn]

Most of these so-called horrific actions that have heretofore been "commited" by CUSA any moderate person would chalk up to mistakes, foolishness or simple human failings... But not CUSA, no, Barry is far worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung combined! :rolleyes:

Look, I'll agree with the premise that some of the CUSA haters overstate the case. But it's not as though there aren't grounds for grievance. The whole ideological issue of putting PC clone parts in a reproduction case and selling it as the same thing (oh, sorry, the same thingx) or a successor to/revival of is a touchy subject to begin with, and the fact that the company's response, as expressed by both its key members, is "you're stupid for disagreeing, also I'm going to call you a loser for even caring, now kiss my feet, peons" didn't help things one bit.

And add to that the generally lackluster design and ridiculous pricing of the actual product, and a whole host of claims by the company that turned out to either be exaggerated or wholly false but have been consistently ignored in discussion with company representatives...this might be "human failings" in a dictionary-definition sense, but unless you have some plan for replacing Barry and his underlings with robots, human failings = failings in a company made up of humans. It's not just some little handful of foibles, it raises some pretty serious questions about the company as a whole.

Why? Because Dammy doesn't agree with the haters?

No, because he's being (diplomatically speaking) a smarmy, obnoxious twit about it. That is, admittedly, a subjective judgement, but subjective judgement is exactly what mods are for, otherwise you could run a forum based on a set of sophisticated word filters. Lots of forums allow moderators to hand out cooldown temp-bans when a member is being annoying but not warranting a more serious mod action.

[amigadave]

That's quite a leap, classing Dammy's post as trolling. Even Karlos offered an explanation for them as something other than that.

The real problem here is that most of the (extreme) CUSA haters are so blinded by their hate that if CUSA so muched as farted, they'd damn Barry for the destruction of the Earth from CUSA-caused global warming.

Most of these so-called horrific actions that have heretofore been "commited" by CUSA any moderate person would chalk up to mistakes, foolishness or simple human failings... But not CUSA, no, Barry is far worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung combined! :rolleyes:

And for this Dammy is trolling? Gimmee a break. I'm no CUSA lover and I agree that Dammy's enthusiasm can be somewhat blind but I'm not so blinded by hatred that I exagerate everything he or anyone else does to defend CUSA just so I can justify my own hatred.

[Puts on flame-proof suit]


@ Karlos:



Agreed. And that's my only concern regarding JGolden's opinion. However, this really was over the line:

Why? Because Dammy doesn't agree with the haters? I don't agree with the haters and I don't agree with Dammy. I certainly wouldn't have threatened to ban him. I would have asked Dammy to cool it, but I'd also ask the haters to cool it too.



Sorry, Karlos, I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but two wrongs don't make a right. As you've already stated, JGolden should have been a little more careful in stating his opinion. That's my only beef. I simply thought his response was tacky. VERY tacky, but tacky, just the same...



Yep. Which is why all moderators should be asking BOTH sides to moderate and not taking one side over the other...

+1,000,000

I am afraid we are horribly outnumbered though and no one will listen to reason, unless the silent majority start chipping in and asking for the disruptive dozen to cool it.  Then maybe the moderators will start doing more to cool off the hot heads.

[Darrin]

+1,000,000

I am afraid we are horribly outnumbered though and no one will listen to reason, unless the silent majority start chipping in and asking for the disruptive dozen to cool it.  Then maybe the moderators will start doing more to cool off the hot heads.

You really worry me with your ignorance of the facts.