OS 4.1 Update 3 Released

[takemehomegrandma]

A "clean install" usually means a stock install with no third party tools.  So I'm wiping out my system and installing fresh installs this week.

If that would have been a requirement, they should have released it as an ISO instead. Wiping you HDD clean, installing OS4.1.0, OS4.1.1 on top of that, OS4.1.2 on top of that, just to be able to install OS4.1.3 on top of that is just hilarious!

ssolie wrote:

The update will be distributed as a downloadable archive only. There is no ISO option.

That's a shame. I've been waiting for update 3 to come out before I setup my Sam but I was looking forward to the simplicity of doing a clean install from 1 CD instead of having to install and then update.

You double click the Update 3 install icon and hit next a few times. I think you can handle it. :p

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Since the requirements *was not* a "clean system", but very much the opposite (given their choosen update method), they should at least have made the installer check for problematic SW or settings during the installation process. If some old MUI class doesn't play well with the new MUI engine, it should have been made harmless by the installer. And so on. That's what beta testing is about.

But they obviously never tested it, and never developed it all the way. Which OTOH fits their usual pattern, so nobody could really be surprised...

[Templario]

Fantastic day for Amiga OS users and Sam owners, thank you Hyperion.

[mikeymike]

If that would have been a requirement, they should have released it as an ISO instead. Wiping you HDD clean, installing OS4.1.0, OS4.1.1 on top of that, OS4.1.2 on top of that, just to be able to install OS4.1.3 on top of that is just hilarious!

Not really.  AFAIK older Mac users apparently can only upgrade to Lion by having an existing OS in the first place and downloading the upgrade, so I'm not sure I see the difference.  Of course, Hyperion should at some point allow users to start from a clean slate and get 'the latest' on straight away, because no-one wants to spend the best part of a day just getting the OS installed, let alone the rest of their needs set up.  Development time has to be prioritised to suit both developers and users.  I'm sure that as most Amiga (whether it's AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS, etc) users are die-hard types and so are probably more interested in certain features being written well and tested thoroughly than say the installation procedure matching the expectation of an OS with multi-million-dollar funding or thousands of volunteering developers behind it.

Windows users have gone through similar (not so little) routines, Vista RTM requires that you install some patches, then SP1, then some more patches, then SP2, etc (the procedure takes hours).  I really wish Microsoft would come up with a "catch all updates in one go, apply them and reboot" routine as getting Vista (just as an example) up-to-date can be a real pain.  Of course with Vista it is possible simply to install Vista SP2 on a blank disk, but not everyone has access to the latest media to do that (or knows how to do streamlined Windows install discs).

Classic Amiga users have had to go through this sort of rigmarole for ages, assuming that they use their Amiga on the Internet or have custom hardware - having to install a TCP/IP stack separately, some custom libs, support for >4GB partitions, some UI add-ons to make the UI more usable, it's all the same in terms of tedious hoops to jump through.

[takemehomegrandma]

Not really.  AFAIK older Mac users apparently can only upgrade to Lion by having an existing OS in the first place and downloading the upgrade, so I'm not sure I see the difference.

I think there was a similar thing in Windows95 (or was it win 98?)

But does that make it *a good way* then? Especially since your update script seems to demand a clean-slate install anyway?

I mean, *you could* also do it like this:

http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.0.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.1.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.2.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.3.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.4.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.5.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.6.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.7.iso

Of course there is an upgrade option in the installer.

From many comments on various forums, it seems to me that this is what the customers wants? I don't see the point in denying it to them?

I mean, what's the problem?

[raddude9]

I don't know why I bother posting these, but here goes.

Can people please stop whinging and bashing the various flavours of Amiga like operating systems. It does not help the Amiga in general. It turns people off the whole amiga-like platform.

What it does NOT do is turn people from one flavour of Amiga to another (In this instance, it's the morphos crew jumping on minor issues to make their OS look like the best one, in other instances/threads etc. it's the other way around, and then there is the AROS camp).

This is pathetic and sad and if I didn't like the Amiga so much it would probably just make me laugh. It reminds me of religous sects arguing over essentially meaningless differences in dogma (The Life of Brian and the PFJ v's the JPF spring to mind :-).

The Amiga world is too small for this kind of in-fighting.

[klx300r]

I don't know why I bother posting these, but here goes.

Can people please stop whinging and bashing the various flavours of Amiga like operating systems. It does not help the Amiga in general. It turns people off the whole amiga-like platform.

What it does NOT do is turn people from one flavour of Amiga to another (In this instance, it's the morphos crew jumping on minor issues to make their OS look like the best one, in other instances/threads etc. it's the other way around, and then there is the AROS camp).

This is pathetic and sad and if I didn't like the Amiga so much it would probably just make me laugh. It reminds me of religous sects arguing over essentially meaningless differences in dogma (The Life of Brian and the PFJ v's the JPF spring to mind :-).

The Amiga world is too small for this kind of in-fighting.

yes it is indeed a big issue on this site that keeps getting worse unfortunately

[golem]

This is pathetic and sad and if I didn't like the Amiga so much it would probably just make me laugh. It reminds me of religous sects arguing over essentially meaningless differences in dogma (The Life of Brian and the PFJ v's the JPF spring to mind :-).

The Amiga world is too small for this kind of in-fighting.

Very good analogy...
Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!
[they all stab themselves]
Suicide Squad Leader: That showed 'em, huh?

[HammerD]

How do you install system "not cleanly"?

What i mean is a user could have replaced libraries or other system files such as MUI classes or modified s-s or be running some 3rd party software...

It's always best to start from a formatted partition, IMHO.

It's not required, but if a user is experiencing issues we either need to track them down or start from a known state.

[HammerD]

I think there was a similar thing in Windows95 (or was it win 98?)

But does that make it *a good way* then? Especially since your update script seems to demand a clean-slate install anyway?

I mean, *you could* also do it like this:

http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.0.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.1.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.2.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.3.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.4.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.5.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.6.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.7.iso

Of course there is an upgrade option in the installer.

From many comments on various forums, it seems to me that this is what the customers wants? I don't see the point in denying it to them?

I mean, what's the problem?

A clean partition is not required, update 3 only requires Update 2 to already have been installed.

The situation is no different on MorphOS, except MorphOS hides the real MorphOS system files in a way that is not done on OS4.  But there have been many cases where users have replaced Morphos classes or system files then run into problems.   The solution was not to replace those files.  That is no different than OS4.

In any case, the issue can be solved either by tracking down the specific issue or starting from a known working baseline.

[takemehomegrandma]

A clean partition is not required, update 3 only requires Update 2 to already have been installed.

Well, what was the latest version released as a complete ISO then? OS4.1.2? OS4.1.1? To make a clean-slate install you would have to start from there (wherever that is), and then start adding all subsequent updates, one after another, until you have reached the latest one...

The situation is no different on MorphOS

...which is very different from the MorphOS way. You can download any of the above MorphOS versions and boot/install directly from the CD. Clean-slate, or upgrade, your choice. But here is the thing - you don't have to! The reason to why only the latest version is linked to from the MorphOS Team's webpage, is because that's all you'll need! No need to install x amounts of prior OS versions, and then upgrade from that.

Only one download needed, always, and it's an ISO, always!

MorphOS hides the real MorphOS system files in a way that is not done on OS4.

Yes, and this didn't happen by a random coincidence, it was a design decision. And a very good and clever decision too, with hindsight to this OS4.1.3 release (and others as well)! Upgrades goes much smoother on MorphOS, thanks to this!

But there have been many cases where users have replaced Morphos classes or system files then run into problems.

If some moron breaks all recommendations and instructions and starts removing or modifying things in the system's exclusive, "don't-touch" MOSSYS, and starts relying on that, rather than use the proper user-space SYS for this, then they are completely on their own when it's time to update, and they have only themselves to blame for any problems. The "moron-protection" only goes that far you know... :p

That is no different than OS4.

All this is obviously *very* different from OS4...

[drHirudo]

I updated from my AmigaOS 4 update 2 to the new update 3 in less than 5 minutes. From first try. I recorded a video of the process in HD, but the video turned out to be ~8 GB, so it is still uploading to YouTube. It will take some time to upload.

I rebooted in the video and before someone jumps - it's not that faaaast - I am behind a proxy with router. It takes time to initialize the DHCP, and configure the Internet connection. Then I open OWB, but it does not load the AmigaWorld.net from the first time because of the router and the proxy. AmigaOS 4 works flawlessly after that. Nice update. Good work from Hyperion as usual.

[utri007]

It is allays funny that those people who doesn't have anything to do with Amiga Os are biggest whiners and every single thread about Os4 is filled with MorOs users. Cry baby cry they call it criticism If somebody's only task is point out other's mistakes, it is sad, not a criticism. Criticisims without solution is just like whining and I'm quite sure that they are not able to help anyone.

[Fats]

and then there is the AROS camp

As an AROS developer I am touched by this statement. Please PM me (staf at stafverhaegen dot be) when some AROS fan(boy) says some provoking or denigrating comment on other amiga-like systems.

greets,
Staf.

[killer]

Thanks to OS4 DevTeam for this great OS, thanks to Acube for the hardware and the continue updates and utilities for their hardware :-)

[Karlos]

Well, what was the latest version released as a complete ISO then? OS4.1.2?

4.1.1 was the last full ISO, as far as I know. 4.1.2 installs over it.

[HammerD]

Well, what was the latest version released as a complete ISO then? OS4.1.2? OS4.1.1? To make a clean-slate install you would have to start from there (wherever that is), and then start adding all subsequent updates, one after another, until you have reached the latest one...

4.1 Update 1 was a full ISO.  Update 2 was an installer as is Update 3, so the sequence is 4.1 Update 1 ISO, Update 2, then Update 3.  For AmigaOS 4.1 Classic it's just Update 3 as it is already at the Update 2 level.

...which is very different from the MorphOS way. You can download any of the above MorphOS versions and boot/install directly from the CD. Clean-slate, or upgrade, your choice. But here is the thing - you don't have to! The reason to why only the latest version is linked to from the MorphOS Team's webpage, is because that's all you'll need! No need to install x amounts of prior OS versions, and then upgrade from that.

Does it not backup your mossys: directory and install a new one every time, even if you do an upgrade? I don't really see your point.  MorphOS is coming as full releases, and not update packages, so obviously there will be a difference.  I don't see why you are making a fuss over this.

Only one download needed, always, and it's an ISO, always!

That's a design decision.  It has its good points and weak points.  One weak point is that you have to download an entire ISO, burn it, just for the "updates" to go from 2.6 to 2.7.

Yes, and this didn't happen by a random coincidence, it was a design decision. And a very good and clever decision too, with hindsight to this OS4.1.3 release (and others as well)! Upgrades goes much smoother on MorphOS, thanks to this!

Again this is a design decision, and may have been influenced by the fact that the MorphOS team didn't work from the original source code, so they separated all their things in their own directory, rather than directly updating the components themselves (because they didn't have access to them.  Effectively you have two sys: assignments which is not required for OS4 since it *is* the original.
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If some moron breaks all recommendations and instructions and starts removing or modifying things in the system's exclusive, "don't-touch" MOSSYS, and starts relying on that, rather than use the proper user-space SYS for this, then they are completely on their own when it's time to update, and they have only themselves to blame for any problems. The "moron-protection" only goes that far you know... :p

Well this is no different than the case of OS4, if you go replacing sobjects or system libraries....

All this is obviously *very* different from OS4...

I disagree...but then again I don't think we can ever agree since you are so firmly entrenched into the MorphOS side for some reason.