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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2011, 10:46:26 PM »
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Gotta disagree with that point of view... a lot of "new users" or folk who are finding the Amiga once again post quite a lot of interesting questions looking for help setting up their Amigas, which when I can, am only too glad to help out with... :)

It's mostly "old members" who post the "downhill" stuff about PCs, iPhones etc... and use the place as some sort of social club that detract from the real Amiga questions & topics new users have... ;)

Cheers mate ;) But still no one replied to my A4000 questions ;(
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2011, 10:50:38 PM »
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Cheers mate ;) But still no one replied to my A4000 questions ;(


Which ones?

Point me in the right direction and I'll do my best for you. :)
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2011, 10:58:23 PM »
Well I feel a great guilt. I feel guilty that I left Amiga and went PC, then went Mac, and returned to Amiga [I never really left].
I was young, in 94 I was 11, I owned an A500 and to me it was the best! When I got my A1200 in 97 / 98 ish [Amiga Inc Tandy clearance] my school had gone Win95, I was studying IT, I was going my GCSE's and I didn't have much choice but to go Win. I also couldn't afford, or justify the upgrade costs of my A1200, £100+ for a tower, alot of money to get a CD-ROM working, and I still couldn't take school work across platform, or rather I didn't know how. I never got too technical with Amiga, not like I have with PC, it was mainly games and word processing. I wish I did though, which is one of the reasons I am here.
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2011, 11:00:09 PM »
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Which ones?

Point me in the right direction and I'll do my best for you. :)

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57332

This one.......lots and lots of views........maybe it was crap, can't remember better read it back......
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2011, 11:33:20 PM »
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You really have a complex about this whole thing huh.

Find a single post from me on this forum where I've professed to either
A: Hating x86 processors
B: Being a 68K processor fanboy.


Im happy playing your villain that you seem to need, but let's make with some actual proof instead.

How about the first post in this thread.  You don't say "I hate x86" or "I am a 68K fanboy".  

What you do is chime in over and over with passive aggressive comments about how x86 makes no sense.  How a company that has announced Amiga compatible computers branded as Amiga have no connection to Amiga because they are on x86 processors.

Playing innocent because you use passive aggressive language doesn't mean you are not saying it.  If I were to continually post "I don't understand why runequester thinks his opinion matters in any way", I would still be making a statement about you.  That is how being passive aggressive works.

Heck, even in the above post, you play passive aggressive.  You pretend to be a victim by claiming to be depicted unfairly as a villain in a thread that was passive aggressively complaining about x86, and peoples comments that Amiga wasn't perfect.
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2011, 11:38:14 PM »
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 How about the first post in this thread...
...What you do is chime in over and over with passive aggressive comments about how x86 makes no sense.

Didn't see that anywhere in his first post???

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How a company that has announced Amiga compatible computers branded as Amiga have no connection to Amiga because they are on x86 processors.

Again.. er.. where in his post did he say that??
 :confused:  :confused:  :confused:

Am I reading a different first post than you??

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2011, 11:44:05 PM »
Quote from: Belial6;631906
How about the first post in this thread.  You don't say "I hate x86" or "I am a 68K fanboy".  What you do is chime in over and over with passive aggressive comments about how x86 makes no sense.  How a company that has announced Amiga compatible computers branded as Amiga have no connection to Amiga because they are on x86 processors.


You fail reading comprehension. If you want to dredge up the CUSA crap again, my question at that point was what a PC in a C64 case has to do with amiga.

The answer at the time was that at some unspecified future point, they'll sell a computer titled an amiga, which will run some sort of OS that is going to be amiga-like. As I said /repeatedly/ in that thread, once they sell an amiga product, I think they should have a section on amiga.org, just like AROS, Morph OS etc.

It has fuck all to do with the processor type.

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Playing innocent because you use passive aggressive language doesn't mean you are not saying it.  If I were to continually post "I don't understand why runequester thinks his opinion matters in any way", I would still be making a statement about you.  That is how being passive aggressive works.


So you have nothing, other than whining?
Given that you seem to follow me around now, it seems you think quite a lot of my opinion. I suppose that's flattering.

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Heck, even in the above post, you play passive aggressive.  You pretend to be a victim by claiming to be depicted unfairly as a villain in a thread that was passive aggressively complaining about x86, and peoples comments that Amiga wasn't perfect.


My post had exactly nothing negative about x86 in it, and you know it.

Lets examine what I posted.

The only thing that is remotely negative is that yes, in the 80's PCs were wicked expensive, they generally ran windows 3.1, and PC speaker sucked.

Care to refute these points? Or have you dug yourself so far into fantasy land that you can't distinguish between facts and imaginary attacks ?


Since you claim you know exactly what I mean, you know damn well what I intended. As I have posted /in this very thread/ this isn't about amiga being superior. It's about being able to have a conversation without the same "commodore failed because of XXX" "amiga sucked because of XXX" crap that comes up every single time.

Yes, we all know that AGA was slow, and that commodore had bad marketing and that the 1200 wasnt powerfull enough and that windows 95 sold monstrously well.
It all doesn't matter anymore. It's 2011. Everyone else moved on.
Why keep dredging up the same crap over and over and over and over again?
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2011, 11:51:49 PM »
@desiv

I added a couple of carriage returns for clarity.

The whole first post is passive aggressive complaining.  Do you think that runequester really believes that x86 solves everything?  Or do you think he was being sarcastic in an attempt passively aggressively say that x86 isn't worthy?  Do you think that he believe anyone actually thought PPC sucked at the time, or do you think he was passive aggressively implying that it is better than it is?

As for his comment about CUSA Amigas not being Amigas, that he repeatedly invades CUSA threads to post this in his passive aggressive attempt to discredit them.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2011, 11:55:15 PM »
Are you trying to claim that

"That x86 solves everything"

was said in all honesty?  That you really believe that it solves everything?  I read that as sarcasm and a passive aggressive jab at systems running x86.

So, just to be clear... Are you now truly claiming without any sarcasm "That x86 solves everything"?
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2011, 11:58:41 PM »
Wow! Time out!

Chill out boys!

Geez......
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2011, 11:59:36 PM »
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You fail reading comprehension. If you want to dredge up the CUSA crap again, my question at that point was what a PC in a C64 case has to do with amiga.

The answer at the time was that at some unspecified future point, they'll sell a computer titled an amiga, which will run some sort of OS that is going to be amiga-like. As I said /repeatedly/ in that thread, once they sell an amiga product, I think they should have a section on amiga.org, just like AROS, Morph OS etc.

It has fuck all to do with the processor type.



So you have nothing, other than whining?
Given that you seem to follow me around now, it seems you think quite a lot of my opinion. I suppose that's flattering.



My post had exactly nothing negative about x86 in it, and you know it.

Lets examine what I posted.

The only thing that is remotely negative is that yes, in the 80's PCs were wicked expensive, they generally ran windows 3.1, and PC speaker sucked.

Care to refute these points? Or have you dug yourself so far into fantasy land that you can't distinguish between facts and imaginary attacks ?


Since you claim you know exactly what I mean, you know damn well what I intended. As I have posted /in this very thread/ this isn't about amiga being superior. It's about being able to have a conversation without the same "commodore failed because of XXX" "amiga sucked because of XXX" crap that comes up every single time.

Yes, we all know that AGA was slow, and that commodore had bad marketing and that the 1200 wasnt powerfull enough and that windows 95 sold monstrously well.
It all doesn't matter anymore. It's 2011. Everyone else moved on.
Why keep dredging up the same crap over and over and over and over again?

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2011, 12:00:33 AM »
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I added a couple of carriage returns for clarity.
Ah!  :-)

Quote from: Belial6;631916
Do you think that runequester really believes that x86 solves everything?
Not at all..  
Quote from: Belial6;631916
Or do you think he was being sarcastic...
Definitely!!
Quote from: Belial6;631916
.. in an attempt passively aggressively say that x86 isn't worthy?
No... I thought he was being sarcastic to point out how some people take this stuff way too seriously, with an underlying theory that it was mostly people who feel guilty because they left the Amiga and are over-justifying..

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Do you think that he believe anyone actually thought PPC sucked at the time, or do you think he was passive aggressively implying that it is better than it is?
Didn't really get a feel for his PPC feelings, but I didn't read this stuff too seriously..  I saw (I thought) a bit of a tongue-in-cheek jab and based my reading of the thread on that..

Quote from: Belial6;631916
As for his comment about CUSA Amigas not being Amigas, that he repeatedly invades CUSA threads to post this in his passive aggressive attempt to discredit them.

I don't really read those threads too much, so I haven't paid attention to his opinion on that..
Lots of people have very vibrant opinions on that matter...
Personally, I think most of that is pretty silly on all sides, but that's me..

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2011, 12:01:11 AM »
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Are you trying to claim that

"That x86 solves everything"

was said in all honesty?  That you really believe that it solves everything?  I read that as sarcasm and a passive aggressive jab at systems running x86.

So, just to be clear... Are you now truly claiming without any sarcasm "That x86 solves everything"?


You read the post right?

So let me quote myself.

Ahem

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The subject is plagued by feelings of guilt about having used an amiga. This may come from insecurities of having made a "wrong choice" and a burning need to correct others misconceptions.


Various symptoms may manifest themselves, such as feeling a need to post in as many conversations as possible with any of the following:

How much commodore sucked

How much PPC sucked

How terrible the amiga was compared to the PC

How much every amiga model past the 500/1000/2000 was awful and terrible

How much better Turrican 2 was on the C64

That x86 solves everything

How terrible AGA was

That the X1000 is super expensive, in case you hadn't heard

In doing so, they hope they can somehow dispel the illusion other users had of having an interesting discussion about amiga's, by reminding them of things every person on the planet is already aware of.


Relevant parts in bold.

So tell me please, how do you go from A (my post) to B (your post) ?


You already know what I meant, so why this whole shell game of pretending I posted something else?

It seems everyone else got it just fine.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2011, 12:20:56 AM »
Quote from: runequester;631924
You read the post right?

So let me quote myself.

Ahem



Relevant parts in bold.

So tell me please, how do you go from A (my post) to B (your post) ?


You already know what I meant, so why this whole shell game of pretending I posted something else?

It seems everyone else got it just fine.


So, can you point to a single post that says "x86 solves everything"?  What you did was a classic strawman argument combined with passive aggressive complaining.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2011, 12:21:45 AM »
Speaking only for myself:

People who like the x86 do not bug me.
People who act like the x86 is the Only And Inevitable Future and anybody who would like a new 68k or PPC-based system are backwards idiots do bug me. Very much.

Simple as that.
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #74 from previous page: April 16, 2011, 12:35:55 AM »
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So, can you point to a single post that says "x86 solves everything"?  What you did was a classic strawman argument combined with passive aggressive complaining.

So you did understand what I posted. Why did you pretend otherwise then?


As for a post saying exactly those 3 words? Probably not. History showed thats how it actually worked out though.

The sentiment? Its common enough that the poster immediately above me is familiar. As are others that have posted in the thread.
Again, you know damn well what I am talking about. Playing this little "I'll keep moving goal posts until I seem to win something" game is tedious in the slightest.


If you are still sore about the CUSA thing.. let it go. If you think my posting is somehow disruptive to the site, report me to the mod's.
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