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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2011, 02:50:57 PM »
For me growing up C64/Amiga, PC's were the devil and with the death of Commodore (*sigh*) and everyone playing Warcraft, Rise of the Triads, etc. in lan parties with IPX/SPX networks the PC was too tempting to avoid. Soon many exciting things would evolve RAPIDLY on the PC, games got better, productivity got better, faster and faster.
Remember when Windows 95 was released and there were huge lines wrapping around stores to get if first? Of course Apple has created that culture in their products now.
If Commodore had survived with REAL leadership it would be a sight to see and what could have evolved over 17+ years!

I wouldn't be surprised if the modern amiga was just like the modern Apple system, or basically another Intel based computer.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2011, 03:20:30 PM »
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I'd like to discuss a phenomenom that I've observed in the past year or so.

Amiga guilt, and by relation, time distortion.


The subject is plagued by feelings of guilt about having used an amiga. This may come from insecurities of having made a "wrong choice" and a burning need to correct others misconceptions.


Various symptoms may manifest themselves, such as feeling a need to post in as many conversations as possible with any of the following:

How much commodore sucked

How much PPC sucked

How terrible the amiga was compared to the PC

How much every amiga model past the 500/1000/2000 was awful and terrible

How much better Turrican 2 was on the C64

That x86 solves everything

How terrible AGA was

That the X1000 is super expensive, in case you hadn't heard

In doing so, they hope they can somehow dispel the illusion other users had of having an interesting discussion about amiga's, by reminding them of things every person on the planet is already aware of.



This is often accompanied by Time Distortion. In this particular illness, the subject mentally transposes the PC market of today to the 80's and early 90's, imagining a world where PC's are reasonably priced and can run for hours without crashing, compared to an unexpanded 512 kb amiga 500.
All thoughts of 2000 dollar PC's running windows 3.1 while vomiting out PC speaker bleeps are banished, and the world is made of microsoft flowers and intel bunnies dancing in the meadows.



The cure for both illnesses is to go have a wank, and is thus easily accomplished. If you still suffer from either afterwards, you obviously didn't wank it enough.


I do not know your age, but much of this distortion is do to users posting about things they know little about like the 90's technology, much less the 80's technology do to their age. Many users I see here posting comments about 80's were not even born at the time. I know there are some interesting tidbits on Wikipedia and such, but many are factually wrong. That being said I enjoy using my amiga and have since 1985, but putting down PC's is another waste of time since - What is standard computing platform now and has been for the last 30 years? Oh, the PC.
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2011, 03:36:19 PM »
It's not just age that causes distortion, it's location. Amiga's were an also-ran platform in the U.S by the late '80's. U.S users see the Amiga as a minnow, EU users see it as a fallen giant.

Maybe PC's were cheaper there, perhaps consoles were released cheaper/before europe got them. I don't know. I know the U.S has higher disposible income, and still does, might have something to do with it.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2011, 04:47:26 PM »
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It's not just age that causes distortion, it's location. Amiga's were an also-ran platform in the U.S by the late '80's. U.S users see the Amiga as a minnow, EU users see it as a fallen giant.

Maybe PC's were cheaper there, perhaps consoles were released cheaper/before europe got them. I don't know. I know the U.S has higher disposible income, and still does, might have something to do with it.


You make a good point, I know amiga died down in US and in the EU they were hugely popular for years after.
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2011, 05:11:28 PM »
My signature states Im a linux fan boy. What makes you think I am putting down PCs.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2011, 05:40:48 PM »
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My signature states Im a linux fan boy. What makes you think I am putting down PCs.

I wasn't implying that, I was just stating and observation that may have been a little off. The Amiga was played out differently in different parts of the world also making perceptions appear quite different.
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2011, 06:52:39 PM »
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I wasn't implying that, I was just stating and observation that may have been a little off. The Amiga was played out differently in different parts of the world also making perceptions appear quite different.


ah gotcha :)
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2011, 07:23:45 PM »
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Windows 95 Solid ???


Frozen solid in classic MacOS style? :-)

Anyway, couple of years ago I acquired old Pentium 90 with Windows 95 and I was amazed how usable it was. You can get that thing online and download decent software.

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Then I got BeOS and all was right with the world.  It was fast, and it could multitask properly without sizing up or crashing.  Just like the Amiga.


When Commodore went belly up there wasnt chance for Amiga anymore. No hardware and soon after software support was diminishing.
My Amigas: A500, Mac Mini and PowerBook
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2011, 07:58:13 PM »
:roflmao:

Who cares? It's about the coolness factor, and only true Amigas (chipset+680x0) have that awesome coolness factor that's lacking everywhere. Perhaps some people just need to stay with their peecees and be happy with them (no shame in that, I use a 667 Mhz Pentium 3) :)
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2011, 09:25:21 PM »
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It's not just age that causes distortion, it's location. Amiga's were an also-ran platform in the U.S by the late '80's. U.S users see the Amiga as a minnow, EU users see it as a fallen giant.


That is a lot of it.  The last Amiga I ever saw in a shop was the A600.  I was working in a Software Etc.  We got the A600 in, it ran OS2.0 and half of the software on our shelves wouldn't run it.  The Amiga section was already 1/10 of the PC section, and now, even half of that wouldn't run.  That was when I knew the Amiga was dead.

It wasn't until years later that I even knew that the 1200 existed, and it wasn't until 2008 that I actually saw one in real life.

@runequester

I think you are suffering a bit from your own described syndrome.  If you look at the threads on this board, the hostility comes from the anti-x86 crowd.  Go to the RetroReplay threads.  No one is complaining about that.  Everyone is universally excited.  Some are not interested in buying one, but they appreciate what it is.  The Natami threads used to be negative, not so much out of a dislike of what it is, but out of a disbelief that it could be produced.  Now that it is showing some actual progress, people are much more friendly towards it.  After the holy wars based around the idea that there was a rightful heir, MorphOS is accepted as a fun alternative OS, as is OS4.  Criticism is generally mild, and intended as constructive to the discussion.  The biggest complains in the PPC camp are centered around the cost of hardware for OS4.  Given the umph and cost, these are valid complaints.  Add to that, the fact that OS4 and PPC are not 'classic' Amiga, complaints about them cannot really be chalked up to Amiga Regret.

Now look at any thread concerning CUSA, and their desire to produce Amigas on x86.  They are full on flame fests.  People are vicious.  Alternate web sites have been set up for the sole purpose of bashing them.

It isn't a matter of people regretting the Amiga and trying to put it down.  Most people are perfectly comfortable with what it was.  The problem comes in with a conflict between the people that have emotionally moved on and accepted that x86 has evolved into a good platform, and those that are still carrying around their platform rage from the 80's.

You yourself keep exhibiting that behavior.  You kept asking the same questions over and over claiming that you couldn't understand why someone would want a computer that looked like a C64 and acted like a C64 that was brand new, as well as how that related to Amiga.  You would claim that you didn't understand why a company that has shown that it can and would produce replica retro computers that ran the retro software and had announced Amiga computers would be relevant on an Amiga board.  That isn't "Just being curious".  It is a passive aggressive attempt to push the idea that x86 is inferior.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2011, 09:28:11 PM »
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 It is a passive aggressive attempt to push the idea that x86 is inferior.


Let me give you a hint there mate. You know from my signature I use linux.
Let me give you a freebie then: Im not running it on PPC, ARM or 68K.

So what do you suppose I am running it on?
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2011, 09:42:51 PM »
z80?
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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2011, 09:46:07 PM »
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z80?


now /that/ would be badass :)
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2011, 10:09:13 PM »
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Let me give you a hint there mate. You know from my signature I use linux.
Let me give you a freebie then: Im not running it on PPC, ARM or 68K.

So what do you suppose I am running it on?


You throw that out there like it proves something.  It doesn't.  It just explains why you feel guilty.  Your like the guy that is worried that the two different girls he is dating might meet.  Me, I'll introduce them and all play together.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2011, 10:13:11 PM »
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You throw that out there like it proves something.  It doesn't.  It just explains why you feel guilty.  Your like the guy that is worried that the two different girls he is dating might meet.  Me, I'll introduce them and all play together.

You really have a complex about this whole thing huh.

Find a single post from me on this forum where I've professed to either
A: Hating x86 processors
B: Being a 68K processor fanboy.


Im happy playing your villain that you seem to need, but let's make with some actual proof instead.
 

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Re: Amiga guilt and time distortion.
« Reply #59 from previous page: April 15, 2011, 10:46:26 PM »
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Gotta disagree with that point of view... a lot of "new users" or folk who are finding the Amiga once again post quite a lot of interesting questions looking for help setting up their Amigas, which when I can, am only too glad to help out with... :)

It's mostly "old members" who post the "downhill" stuff about PCs, iPhones etc... and use the place as some sort of social club that detract from the real Amiga questions & topics new users have... ;)

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