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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #209 from previous page: August 02, 2010, 11:16:24 PM »
So much butthurt. Where to begin?

Your quantity of posts in the thread is not the point; it isn't about quantity, it's about quality.

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How about *actually reading* them this time? And I mean, reading them all, not just mine! Especially read the posts and the discussion threads to which I'm responding to! Watch how the thread evolves. Look how people contributes. What they are saying. It takes many people to move a discussion forward, not just one, not just "TMHG" (with his massive 18 posts).

I have done, very carefully. Anybody that has been on this forum any length of time knows it's very rare for me to single people out, the fact that you are an exception to this should actually make you stop for a moment and wonder why. Of course you can't, because you're too busy feeling exasperated at it to realise.

You can't even take responsibility for your "contribution" without pointing out how many other people were doing it. And yet, you overlook one blindingly obvious point.

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Anyone not completely blind will see that *my* contribution to those threads were *very minor* in comparison to other people's posts. Yet I'm getting 100% of the blame, for some problem that *I'm not even sure exists* outside a few peoples brains?

It is true that in that thread, other people got stuck in just as excitedly, but the point is that the thread was fine until you started going on about why the OP should use MorphOS instead, totally ignoring the polite request by the original poster not to. Which, ultimately, invited all the other trolls to come out of the woodwork and start a fight. You can't even claim you weren't aware of his older MOS thread as you posted in that one too, before posting in his OS4 thread.

Cause and consequence. I think you'll find most people understand the concept.

And as for your 18 posts, well, anybody reading that thread can judge for themselves, and if they are bored enough, perhaps they will. Except for the first few, they don't make pleasent reading. For all your protestation about red trolls, the huge irony here that in this thread you've basically behaved in exactly the same fashion you accuse said red trolls of. Complaining about having to defend your choice of OS from the nasty linux trolls that you expect to find only on slashdot having done exactly the same thing to fellow amiga enthusiasts right here on this very forum for simply preferring an alternative OS. And a final irony, here you are complaining at the unfair singling out, and what do you do in your defence? Single out someone else.

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And what's even more disturbing, is the fact that you obviously has *spent time* and *quite a few posts* here in this very thread, with the only purpose of "retaliating", "teaching a lesson" etc. Are you trying to "get even"? On *ME*? A vindictive behavior I would have expected from some of the users on AW.net or amigans.net, not from an official moderator of Amiga.org. Why? Disturbed indeed

I didn't spend any time, I just remembered that particular thread from before. Again, an irony being that I might not have, had you not have started the e-pine rubbing over G5 in this one ;)

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Did someone tell you to do this? Who?

Paranoid, much? No. What, I can't have my own opinions?

I happen to think you behaved hypocritcally, having bashed OS4 and it's users in a thread opened regarding OS4, to the point of goading "cry foul! moderators! make the arguments go away!" (or some such nonsense) and then cry like a toddler in a tantrum when it is pointed out to you that MOS on G5 offers nothing that it doesn't offer on G4 and that the few things that will run better on G5 will run far better on an x86 with linux, since invariably, that's where the software was ported from anyway. Boo hoo, somebody presented an argument that wouldn't go away. For shame.

Had you not have played the "I can't believe an amiga enthusiast has to defent his choice of OS here on amiga.org" card, this exchange probably would not have happened.

So, really, nobody to blame but yourself.

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I can't say I had expected an apology. But that comment, rubbing salt in the wounds, made my regards for you vanish completely!

Gone!


I'm sorry to say it, but frankly I don't much care. I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever over it, I suggest you shouldn't either.

The original poster in that thread got put off OS4 and MOS thanks to the debacle you helped to create. I can't say I blame him one bit, the whole red v blue thing almost put me off the entire Amiga scene for good too.

Luckily, having to read your posts hasn't put me off the MOS2 option yet. Carry on though, you never know your luck.

Now, I'd rather not continue this conversation since it's not really doing anything for the thread. In fact, I should probably split it out.
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #210 on: August 03, 2010, 12:12:14 AM »
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So much butthurt. Where to begin?


If I may, I suggested something earlier :laughing:
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #211 on: August 03, 2010, 02:52:13 AM »
Kolla, that posting wasn't funny the first time. Just gross and stupid.

You're not trying very hard to prove you're not a troll.
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #212 on: August 03, 2010, 07:40:44 AM »
Times like this I wish we ran on Slashcode. As I'd mod your post up.

P.S. Kolla is taking the day off.
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #213 on: August 03, 2010, 08:33:30 AM »
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Times like this I wish we ran on Slashcode. As I'd mod your post up.

P.S. Kolla is taking the day off.

About time, thank you!
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #214 on: August 03, 2010, 08:43:35 AM »
Can we get on topic? I read so much of this nonsense and I still don't know if and when MorphOS will run on g5... I'd like to know this as I was planning on buying a 1.25ghz emac for morphOS but I'd much prefer a g5 mini tower.
 

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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #215 on: August 03, 2010, 09:27:21 AM »
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Can we get on topic? I read so much of this nonsense and I still don't know if and when MorphOS will run on g5... I'd like to know this as I was planning on buying a 1.25ghz emac for morphOS but I'd much prefer a g5 mini tower.

Gladly!  Did you really write "mini" tower?!? :lol:

I have no inside information, other than what anyone can find on public forums like these, but I am fairly confident that MorphOS support for any model of the G5 PowerMac will not be released before they first release support for the G4 PowerMacs and G4 PowerBooks.  I might be wrong about the PowerBooks coming before the G5 PowerMacs, but many rumors and I think some statements from MorphOS Team members themselves have said that support for a few of the G4 PowerMac models should be released within the next 2 to 3 months, or sooner.

Buying a G5 PowerMac to run MorphOS on is a risky decision at this point in time.  It may get done quickly, or it may never get finished.  AFAIK, there has been no official promise that G5 PowerMac support will be done, but since a screen shot has already been shown by one of the MorphOS Team members and at least one other Team member has mentioned in a forum posting that he also owns a G5 PowerMac, I would say that the chances are good that some day it will be completed and released.  But that does not tell you which models will be supported yet, unless you decide to get the same exact model as the one shown in the already released screen shot.  That one is probably a better bet than other models that it will get supported.

I have been hoping for a port to the G5 PowerMac for about a year already, but when I first mentioned it I was completely shut down by one or more of the MorphOS Team members who said it would never happen.  I am very happy that they either changed their minds, or they were only trying to conceal their roadmap from any possible competitor a year ago.

Since I have just found and purchased a 17", 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook in like new condition, I am actually hoping that support for it comes before support for the G5 takes up too much of their coding time.

Both the G4 PowerBook and the G4 and G5 PowerMacs are going to be great additions to the list of MorphOS capable hardware if/when they are added.  Those plus the release of new X1000 hardware for the AmigaOS4.1.2 users should keep both camps happy for a while, I think.

Edit: Don't bid on the G5 in Oakland, CA.  It is mine, I saw it first so bid on a different one, because I have plans to pick that one up in person already.:rtfm:  It's mine, all mine I say!
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #216 on: August 03, 2010, 09:57:26 AM »
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http://bigfoot.morphos-team.net/test/powermacg5_showconfig.jpeg - only a day late, but oh well :)


And as always, questions about availability and offers for beta testing will likely be quite pointless at this time. :)


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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #217 on: August 03, 2010, 11:34:32 AM »
@All

I'd just like to apologise for the off-topic argument yesterday. I still stand by my points completely but in retrospect the entire exchange itself was, well, pretty pointless.
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #218 on: August 03, 2010, 12:02:39 PM »
Yes I said mini tower. I'm old school, so to me a tower computer is a real full tower computer. The tower computers now are mini towers.
 
I miss full tower cases alot. Lots of room for ridiculous amounts of hard drives.
 
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #219 on: August 03, 2010, 05:02:03 PM »
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@All

I'd just like to apologise for the off-topic argument yesterday. I still stand by my points completely but in retrospect the entire exchange itself was, well, pretty pointless.


Don't you dare, I haven't laughed that hard in quite a while. It was delicious.

If you'd added the butthurt report form however it would have made it truly epic ;)
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #220 on: August 03, 2010, 06:19:16 PM »
Yes, it had some comedy highlights, and Karlos made a good point about blue vs. red trolling.

As to whether or not it makes sense to plan for G5 support under MorphOS, I'd buy an eMac (I have). Why forgo using something right now because something better might be introduced later? If you did this with any platform you'd always put off purchasing as there would always be something better on the horizon.

I already have a Powermac standing by and I may purchase a G5, but since these are not currently supported I didn't wait to take the plunge. Right now eMacs can be had for under $75. That's cheaper than a Mac Mini, more powerful than a Pegasos or a SAM, and probably better suited to MorphOS than a multiprocessor, high RAM capacity, ultra fast system. MorphOS only uses a single processor/core, only supports up to 1.5G of Ram, and the best video cards supported are the R250/9XXX.

That makes the eMac perfect for MorphOS. Why would you wait for G5 support? Karlos is right. There isn't any current software that would greatly benefit from the extra processing power.
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #221 on: August 03, 2010, 06:51:29 PM »
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There isn't any current software that would greatly benefit from the extra processing power.

I hope I won't trigger an infinite loop by writing this. :)

But yes, there is current software that would greatly benefit from it (media players, encoders, web browsing / flash, emulators, ...). They are current, and often used, at least when you use MorphOS as your main system. :)

This doesn't mean the other points "against" Powermac G5 don't stand of course (consumption, noise, only a single core would be used on MorphOS and so on...).

I just strongly protest against this statement that no software would make use of it. :)
 

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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #222 on: August 03, 2010, 07:17:27 PM »
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I hope I won't trigger an infinite loop by writing this. :)

But yes, there is current software that would greatly benefit from it (media players, encoders, web browsing / flash, emulators, ...). They are current, and often used, at least when you use MorphOS as your main system. :)

This doesn't mean the other points "against" Powermac G5 don't stand of course (consumption, noise, only a single core would be used on MorphOS and so on...).

I just strongly protest against this statement that no software would make use of it. :)

OK, I can buy the media playback argument, but web browsing isn't a very processor intensive task. Considering my habit of having multiple tabs and windows open, I'd want more video memory and a better GPU.

And there is the argument that more CPU power is always useful.

Right now I'm hoping that a least one or two Powermac accelerators with either a 7447 or 7448 processor get supported. That would give us 1.6-2.0 Ghz processors.
Currently, an MDD Powermac with a 1.42Ghz 7455 or a Powerbook with a 1.67 Ghz processor may be the highest speed processors that get support soon.
For older Powermacs, an OWC CPU upgrade to 1.5 Ghz might work as well since it uses the same processor (the 7455).

G5s at 1.6 to 2.7 Ghz would be considerably faster, but we're probably not likely to see support for video cards above the Radeon 9800 at first.
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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #223 on: August 03, 2010, 08:02:32 PM »
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OK, I can buy the media playback argument, but web browsing isn't a very processor intensive task. Considering my habit of having multiple tabs and windows open, I'd want more video memory and a better GPU.

And there is the argument that more CPU power is always useful.


You'd be surprised. There's a lot of web apps out there and they've increasing in numbers and complexity all the time.  They're so important that the Javascript engines are starting to get JIT engines and these are being heavily optimised.  How much of that optimisation work do you think is being targeted at PowerPC processors?  Without those optimisations (or possibly even without the JIT engines at all) these apps are going to run slowly, so a G5 might actually be quite a good idea for web browsing.

Media is another good argument, many DSLR cameras now have video encoding and this is high bitrate, high definition H.264.  I'd like to see what a G4 can make of the 1080p files I record...

It's ironic but it's the other platforms are doing it the "Amiga way", they use dedicated hardware for video en/decoding (usually hardware blocks on the GPU chip).  Phones do the same, right the way up to 1080p.
 

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Re: MorphOS on Power Mac G5
« Reply #224 on: August 03, 2010, 08:13:09 PM »
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...Media is another good argument, many DSLR cameras now have video encoding and this is high bitrate, high definition H.264.  I'd like to see what a G4 can make of the 1080p files I record...

It's ironic but it's the other platforms are doing it the "Amiga way", they use dedicated hardware for video en/decoding (usually hardware blocks on the GPU chip).  Phones do the same, right the way up to 1080p.

I think I've mentioned this before. Some of the current video cards we have support for do have MPEG2 video coding hardware, but I don't think its being used.
More recent cards also have support for more advanced video formats.
However, if we don't take advantage of GPU assisted video en/decoding, then a lot of CPU cycles are going to get used even with a G5.
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