just saw the worrying Poseidon news

[T_Bone]

tjaoz wrote:

You could try a subway (clockport?) which is supported by Poseidon

New Elbox drivers (e.g. for Mediator) do not work when you have any USB card from E3B (subway, highway, algor) installed in your computer.

!!!!

Why?

[Targhan]

@tjaoz

So, you are now saying that my Mediator driver prevents me from CHOOSING another USB solution for my A1200?!  

[Waccoon]

I lost track of who makes what in this thread.  It just cracks me up that you Amiga zealots bash other platforms like crazy and complain about evil business practices, while at the same time you're buying hardware from one company, drivers from someone else, "stacks" or whateverthehell from someone else, and they all seem to fight with each other.  You guys really are pretty desperate to buy stuff in pieces like this.

Reputation, folks...  a company or individual is nothing without reputation.  Precicely why I don't get mixed up in this crappy aftermarket, at least not anymore.  I bought a Subaru because they've been around for decades and make kickass cars.  I bought aftermarket parts for the car because I wanted to make it better.  I found out very quickly that if "they" ship you the wrong swaybar or a bracket doesn't fit... tough -- take it to a machine shop and fix it yourself!

Thus, I don't buy aftermarket parts, anymore, unless they come from a local shop that does a LOT of work and have knowledgeable technicians on site that go through all the installation stages with you ahead of time.  It costs more, but it's worth it.  I learned my lesson the hard way.

This is why I wanted to see Amiga Inc. get on their feet and unify the Amiga market.  Instead, we're still being served crap in pieces.

[Lemmink]

@ tjaoz

I'm tempted to reply but you obviously have lost the sense for reallity or are just plain dumb, so it won't make sense to talk to you anymore.

[Damion]

@ tjaoz

I'm tempted to reply but you obviously have lost the sense for reallity or are just plain dumb, so it won't make sense to talk to you anymore.

I would have to agree...in fact I deleted all
of my other comments to tjzoa in this thread,
dunno why I even bothered to begin with. :/

This thread should probably be locked or moved
off the front page...

[JoannaK]

Lemmink: Good thing on Tjaoz is that only thing he cares is Elbox ... So  most of time he's remins dormant.

And you can consider yourself lucky if you have not seen his rants on ann.lu ... those insults (mostly about C. Hodges mental state)  were quite telling.

[bhoggett]

@-D-

Yes, it's time this thread was put out of its misery. What started out as a simple enquiry that got factual but neutral answers has degenerated into YAF (Yet Another Farce or Yet Another Flamefest, take your pick).

I wish I didn't let myself get dragged into these things. :roll:

@mantisspider

The problem with the Amiga market isn't the mighty dollar, it's the lack of the mighty dollar. Everyone is so busy fighting over the few remaining scraps that they neglect what they set out to do in the first place.

[Rassilon]

@T-Bone

When Hodges learned this, he gave Elbox a choice, either remove the code and APOLOGISE to their customers, or go fish. Elbox REFUSED to apologise, and decided, of their own free will, to go fish. This decision was %100 Elbox.

When I learned that Elbox had this code in their drivers, I was surprised, but not worried. I have had a mediator for a couple of years now with a Gfx card/TVCard/Soundcard/Ethernet card and have had NO problems with drivers trashing my HDD.

So as such I feel no need to have Elbox apologise to me.

While I agree that it might not have been the wisest move to include the anti-piracy code, now they have removed it I don't see why CH got so upset.

Rassilon

[lempkee]

never been attacked by thoose anti piracy code either, but maybe thats because i regged the drivers and bought the mmcd etc? .

i dont know why this is so dangerous , but then again i dont say its right to do so but i would be pretty pissed also if someone put my drivers on the web for free when it was commercial stuff.

anyway i lost the connection on this thread now , it seems tjhoz is in the middle (both pro and con on elbox) and so am i..

i would probably have been on a Z2i solution now ifit hadnt been for the mediator so i am very glad it did this upgrade, its the best i have ever done ... or hmm i think that was my 060 in 95... ok mediator = second best

[AmiGR]

He attacked Chris andhe removed his right to upgrade, which is totally legal.
When you buy a program, you buy the CURRENT version of it, not future ones.

[AmiGR]

It's dangerous because the AmigaOS is not a memory protected system. If you're unlucky enough,
a crashed program could jump in the code and
execute it, erasing your RDB.
The other ways to trigger it can be manupulated by
a naughty program the same way.

[Acill]

The thing that makes me mad about this this, Chris went to Elbox and got them to stop development on the USB stack they wee making and adopt his. Not after a few months of it working he acts like a child and takes it away. Not very adult if you ask me. I wasted $80 on a spider card too before I knew he stopped taking registrations.

[Rassilon]

@AmiGR

I have developed 1 or two programs on my miggy (including progs for the Elbox TVCard drivers) , so through testing I have had my fair share of crashes.

In all this time I have not had Elbox's RDB trashing code activate at all.

If I was cynical I would say that the anti-piracy code was a convenient excuse for CH, after all he has a number of other possibly (<----note the word possibly) conflicting companies using his software!.

Rassilon

[Acill]

If I was cynical I would say that the anti-piracy code was a convenient excuse for CH, after all he has a number of other possibly (<----note the word possibly) conflicting companies using his software!.

Well said! You know I am 99.9% sure that this all came out when someone tried to pirate the driver and make a non Elbox branded with the same chipset work with the drivers. I'm sure the code activated and messed up te RDB at that time. Its a shame, but thats what you get for hackig a driver like that. chris the decided he would be a child and do what he did. If you read his soap opera you can see he is the one that freaked and didnt and acted likea kid instead of talking it out. That email he sent to Elbox was just totaly off the scale!!! I cant believe a programer would do something like that! How baby like can you get Chris?!

[T_Bone]

JoannaK wrote:
Lemmink: Good thing on Tjaoz is that only thing he cares is Elbox ... So  most of time he's remins dormant.

And you can consider yourself lucky if you have not seen his rants on ann.lu ... those insults (mostly about C. Hodges mental state)  were quite telling.

I've noticed that too, check his posting history here, EVERY post he's made is promoting various Elbox products, or throwing mud at Elbox's enemies.

[T_Bone]

> While I agree that it might not have been the
> wisest move to include the anti-piracy code, now
> they have removed it I don't see why CH got so upset.

Maybe he was upset because it's ILLEGAL? He stated very plainly why he was upset. Elbox required an OEM license, yet they were trying to finagle a non-OEM license for an OEM product, this, on TOP of having an ILLEGAL anti-piracy mecanism built into the driver that's supposed to interface to Chris's stack.

Elbox would today, still be licensed, if they simply apologised for the illegal code. if only everyone who's made mistakes had it THAT easy.