just saw the worrying Poseidon news

[Damion]

So, what is this press release about?

in the VFD site: http://www.vgr.com/mediator/pressrelease1.txt
in the Elbox site: http://elbox.com/news_00_07_24.html

So, where's the mention of a contract? :lol:

[Roj]

I'll respect the first one of the combatants (CH, Elbox, I really don't care which) who stands up and says, "What's done is done. What's gone is gone. Now let's put this crap behind us, put our egos in neutral and move forward for the benefit of everyone." That's what it's going to take.

If it's gone beyond this, then there's really not enough left to have respect for.

[Damion]

@DaveP

I dont see Tjaoz trolling on here, maybe it is elsewhere that is being referred to. I see him conducting himself civilly despite being attacked by other forum users.

Insenuating that bhoggett cracked Poseidon is
your idea of civility and not being a troll?

[platon42]

Dear Rat,

you are like a bad commercial on a home order television channel, always repeating and repeating the same stuff. I wonder who will buy it :-D

It is really funny, I could have predicted nearly every reply from you. As stated earlier, most of the time you take some keywords that have been releated to you and turn them upside down and say "No!!! It's YOU that [is a liar|a pirate|has cracked poseidon]!!!". Hilarious! It is rather impressive how skewed your view of the real world is. It is funny to see you calling me a (real) terrorist! :-D

I wonder if you will ever realise, that you are doing NO good in promoting Elb*x, but the opposite?

And no, please don't reply (oh, I forgot that you're probably anankastic, sorry, do what you cannot resist to, no matter how ridiculous it might be). This thread is already full of sh*t thanks to you. But that is the natural way, whenever there's a Rat involved. Twisters like you are natural disasters, aren't they?

[DaveP]

@-D-

Take a look again. Bill H accuses him without substance and
the counter accusation came back, I thought to make the point
that one could j'accuse anyone. If A accusing B is trolling then
you are also calling Bill a troll, which I don't think is valid.

Accusation:

It wouldn't surpise me at all to find that the coward who posted a "how-to-crack-Poseidon" guide on the amithlonopen list was you.

Retort:

 Maybe this is you 'who posted a "how-to-crack-Poseidon" guide on the amithlonopen list' to allow using Poseidon with ArakAttack without the registration key?

Dave.

[Damion]

If you think the guy is is civil and not a troll,
be my guest. I simply disagree.

[DaveP]

@-D-

You pointed out a specific instance to me which required
explanation.

I happen to think Chris Hodges doesn't come out of all this
particularly well either, the round of emails and the
recent conspiracy theories seem to be the product of
a deap seated emotional hatred rather than a rational
contract dispute.

I don't have a stake in either party, I don't particularly give a
flying one about USB on the Amiga or Elbox.

I see yet another bit of anti-competitive politicking and a little
bit of bullying going on and more than a little bit of
"I'll take my ball home now" crap.

Sorry but the whole thing looked at from the outside
looks incredibly juvenile, as do many of the personalities
involved. Bit like the whole market.

If you want to disagree, be my guest.

Dave.

[Damion]

@DaveP

>If you want to disagree, be my guest.

No, I think now we are in complete agreement (for
once).

[bhoggett]

@DaveP

Take a look again. Bill H accuses him without substance and the counter accusation came back, I thought to make the point that one could j'accuse anyone. If A accusing B is trolling then you are also calling Bill a troll, which I don't think is valid.

While my accusation is admittedly based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, his reply contains verifiable untruths.

Why would someone wanting to force CH to support ArakAttack on Amithlon cross-post the crack to the Mediator list? Why would I use a fake UK identity and then post in particularly bad English? Why would anyone feel they have to "force" CH to do something that he was going to do anyway, as announced in the ArakAttack release message?

I think everyone can see why Rat would post the crack, but can anyone see why I would do so?  If you do, let me know, because I can't think of any such reason myself.

You're right that the dispute does not come across as terribly professional on either side. However, I can't blame CH for his actions. Elbox exposed him to potential legal action from any users that may be damaged by their "protection" scheme, not to mention proving beyond doubt that they employ dubious business practices. The only natural reaction for CH would be to distance himself from them as fast as possible, and that includes removing any semblance of support for their products. Bernie was put in the same position by H&P and no choice in his reaction either. The users are the ones to really suffer, of course, but their contract is with the company whose product they bought, in the above cases Elbox and H&P.

H&P are effectively out of the Amiga market now. How long before Elbox go the same way, since neither AmigaOne or Pegasos users have any need for them?

[DaveP]

Why would someone wanting to force CH to support ArakAttack on Amithlon cross-post the crack to the Mediator list? Why would I use a fake UK identity and then post in particularly bad English? Why would anyone feel they have to "force" CH to do something that he was going to do anyway, as announced in the ArakAttack release message?

I assumed that these were made in the spirit of showing how
spurious the allegations against him were by example.

Dave.

[Acill]

For those interested I have contacted the author of the Thylacene USB stack and cards as well as Elbox to see if Elbox would be interested in writing a second set of drivers for this stack. Its a nice stack and well worth it. The good thing about this is the OS4 USB stack and this one are one in the same. The author is very interested it sounds like.

[Lemmink]

> For what? Lack of USB 2.0 support for your platform?


Yeah sure, especially since the all mighty USB 2 Solution from Elbox isn`t one ditch faster then the Algor ROTLF.
Want me to show the official benchmark from the Amiga+ magazine issue 05/2003 page 16

Sure there must be some code in Poseidon that drags down the Spider 2 on purpose :roflmao: