just saw the worrying Poseidon news

[Lemmink]

I am astound that some care so less about the RDB deletion code that were in the Elbox drivers. Let`s say some company installs a mechanism in a car that shoots whoever is in the driveing seat, if he tries to move the car without haveing the ignitionkey. There will be a chance of say 1 to 1.000.000 for a system malfunction. Would you dare to drive with such a car ??

[Rassilon]

@T_Bone

How is that an incentive to block Elbox? A license is a license. Makes no difference to Chris who the card is licensed to, he gets his fee.

Now I'm not saying that this is the same situation, but look at the last time Elbox had a contract with a driver supplier.... CGFX..... and look what happened, another company nullified there contract by arranging an exclusive contract.

You ask why someone might do that? for money, why else!

As for the anti-piracy code it was an easy get out clause, that enabled CH to cancel the contract. Elbox removed the code and things were ok for a while, then CH decided out of the blue that he didn't want to support Elbox any more.

TBH the only way CH could lose out in the Elbox deal is if someone pirated a keyfile, otherwise anyone that purchased a Spider card has to register Posiedon to get any proper use out of it.

Now you would argue that if Elbox had purchased an OEM agreement the piracy wouldn't have happened and CH would have got his money, but look at my previous point with CGFX, Elbox lost out, MONEY, becuase a supplier back stabbed them.

Now you wonder why they appraoch other suppliers with a cynical attitude!

Rassilon

[ikir]

Tjaoz is not a troll. He simply says some true things and some people can't accept them.

Man, am I happy I never bought any Hellbox-crap.

Infact you are crap Kronos. A little children.... Who cares? The only reason why i use my amiga again is Elbox hardware, and this is true for a lot of amigans.

About the new driver story... Yes, wil be a stupid Elbox moves, they were "attacked" by Chris and other products but if they do it they are wrong as their competitors.

[DaveP]

I dont see Tjaoz trolling on here, maybe it is elsewhere that is being referred to. I see him conducting himself civilly despite being attacked by other forum users.

[xeron]

1. Tjaoz bought Poseidon, but has been denied updates. This is not illegal, most products are sold that way by default. I am a registered AmIRC 2.x user. I would have to pay again to get AmIRC 3.x. This is legal. The fact that other Poseidon users are granted free updates is a matter of courtesy, NOT law.

2. The RDB code was utterly wrong and utterly illegal, no matter how unlikely it is to execute on a legitimate users machine. I felt betrayed by Elbox and their actions are inexcusable. I almost stopped working on SuperTV there and then, but that would be harming the users more than Elbox. It did stop my work on some other Mediator drivers, though.

3. It seems to me that the whole poseidon issue is the fault of both Elbox and Chris.

That is all I have to say on the subject.

[lempkee]

Since i still havent got an answer to this , i will ask again.




i give a rats ass about all this mumbojumbo , i want to know if i buy cards from other companies..am i in danger then?

maybe i want an extra pci slot? then i will toss out my spider for sure and my soundcard..., if this will do me harm or my amiga then i will get crazy.

lets say , i get a delphina clockport card and a subway usb... if i attach them they wont work because i have a mediator?...
maaaaaaaaaaan i can smell all these new thread on theese forums we use...

now what if it works but it trash your setup? "mediator detected , Time To take REVENGE" BRRRRRRRR

or what on earth is all this about?...

i want an answer and that NOW, i give a #### about the malicious code in spider driver because it would never hurt me anyway, if it had then it would have trashed my system ages ago...nothing ever works here

cheers

[platon42]

> now what if it works but it trash your setup? "mediator detected , Time To take REVENGE" BRRRRRRRR

No. Read exactly what Rat wrote: He claims that Elb*x planted code into THEIR drivers to detect E3B hardware and will therefore refuse working. As long as nobody has these "new" drivers, I consider everything Rat says as FUD. Poseidon does not contain code to stop working on setups with Elb*x hardware installed, except for the RDB trashing code detection for their usb.device.

[xeron]

@lempkee

I have an Algor in one of the zorro slots of my Mediator 4000. Works great.

[Rassilon]

Hi Chris,

(Please note that I have a mediator with gfx card/sound card etc, but not USB card from any supplier)

Having read your Soap Opera I can only conclude that you over reacted.

I understand your concern over the anti-piracy code, but as it was removed by Elbox that should have been the end of the issue. Your insistance of a public apology, (when no one had accidently activated the anti-piracy code) was unecessary, and a poor excuse for removing support.

At the end of the day you did yourself a dis-service by not continuing the keyfile system. Had you continued it you would not have lost money, only made some from registrations from Spider users.

Just because an unscroupulous individual decides to hack your USB stack it is not down to Elbox, and unfairly penalises users that have already registered or would like to register posiedon. To blaim them without proof for the hack is childish not to mention silly, and makes you out to be paranoid (which i am sure you are not).

It would be nice to think that you will reconsider for the users sake. (Please note that I am not doing this on my behalf as I have an A1 and await OS4 with its stack). Instead I am suggesting that you reconsider for the benefit of the users, yourself, and the Amgia community.

Rassilon

[lempkee]

xeron: but i guess you aint a mediator betatester right? , the new drivers is beeing worked on..

anyway it seems pretty stupid if they do this, people buy what ever hw they want and if its made to not work with other on evil purposes then its time i raise my sword....

grr

[lempkee]

so now there is 2 options right?

elbox makes the new stack, this stack will have to be registered , so we who regged poseidon will have to pay yet again to get a stack... or?

option 2:

elbox makes the stack for free to the allready regged spider owners.

(and in this new stack + all drivers there might be some E3b anti code?, please let us know asap becasuse this is getting rather annoying..)

[ikir]

understand your concern over the anti-piracy code, but as it was removed by Elbox that should have been the end of the issue. Your insistance of a public apology, (when no one had accidently activated the anti-piracy code) was unecessary, and a poor excuse for removing support.

I agree.

[T_Bone]

tjaoz wrote:
@T_Bone

!!!!

Why?

OK, once again:

My guess is this is a simple response to the Hodges' move.

Oh, you mean instead of just apologising to the customers, which would have fixed everything. Way to go Elbox.

Stopping Poseidon registration for Spider users promotes other (IMHO obsolete and overpriced) USB  Amiga cards. Hodges agreed with Elbox to be always neutral to users of different hardware USB Amiga solutions.  Hodges move clearly breaks this agreement.

Elbox broke the agreement, when they broke the law. End of story. Elbox don't have a "right" to Poseiden. Poseiden belongs to Chris.

Repeat after me...
"What Elbox did is ILLEGAL"
"What Elbox did is ILLEGAL"
"What Elbox did is ILLEGAL"

You seriously think Chris should be neutral to an ILLEGAL driver?

Now Elbox helps Hodges in restoring balance and regaining neutrality for various Amiga USB solutions.

You mean instead of just apologising, which is all Chris asked them to do.

I'm kind of glad you keep bringing this up. People who might not have known about all this crooked crap learn alot every time you try "defending" them. You are Elbox's worst PR nightmare. You keep this up, and you'll probably have even Elbox begging you to keep quiet, so they arn't embarassed by these threads.

[Acill]

i want an answer and that NOW, i give a #### about the malicious code in spider driver because it would never hurt me anyway, if it had then it would have trashed my system ages ago...nothing ever works here

Like I said before, its all untrue about E3B cards makig the Meiator not works or do any harm to your system. I am using a Catweasel and an Algor USB card (since my spider is useless to me now) with no problems at all.

[T_Bone]

> As for the anti-piracy code it was an easy get out clause,
> that enabled CH to cancel the contract.

Chris never *wanted* to cancel the contract. his whole mission was to unite USB support so there wouldn't be 12 standards.

Even when the whole trojan incident happened, Chris *could* have walked away from the contract, but he didn't, he asked them to apologise, which was a VERY easy thing to do for Elbox. Chris didn't even have to do that. Elbox had a way out, a damned easy one at that, and didn't take it.

How much easier could Chris have made it for Elbox? An apology is the LEAST one could have asked.

> Elbox removed the code and things were ok for a while,
> then CH decided out of the blue that he didn't want to
> support Elbox any more.

Out of the blue? No, he gave Elbox a choice, either apologise for the illegal driver that they were caught red handed with, or he'd drop support. Elbox, of their own free will, chose not to do so.

I realise many simply don't care that the drivers were illegal, as they make excellent hardware,  but weather or not you care is beside the point. The drivers were illegal, and Chris didn't even need to give them the choice at all, he would have been fully within his rights to simply drop Elbox support unconditionally at that point.

Elbox could have cleared this whole thing up by simply floating a "We're Sorry" to the mailing list. We're talking about pressing about 10 keys on the keyboard here, not exactly pulling teeth you'd think.

[lempkee]

t_bone: aint you out of line now? , it seems you never owned a elbox product oh and that comment about 12 usb standards , well there will be atleast 2 from now on or maybe i should say 1 since Poseidon is obviously only for E3b products and this is yet another example of what went wrong with p96/cgx , pup/wup etc.

i am atleast 110% sure i wont by any hw from e3b until i know for sure it wont do my setup any harm, and for that i need to wait for mediator updates which should come pretty soon i guess.

i know that it works with the drivers we have now, but what happens with the next updates, lets see and as i said i wont buy anything before i know.

i simply dislike all of this thread, it shows what monopolism is and how its done and now it seems elbox is willing to play a mudfight against e3b and Ch , i dont take any side of this but i am not willingly giving up my mediator with the hw around it just because of some cry babies in both camps.

this is simply STUPID! and i hope elbox never will do this.