Why AmigaOS 4.0 is going to be successful…

[nac]

Is it the general opinion that the release of AOS 4 will unite the Amiga platform and users and give a definite standard where we can all start?

I know there are a few alternative OS's around but I have no experience of any of these. I am wondering if there is already too much fragmentation in the community. Will people who use one of the alternatives want to switch to AOS 4? Although I understand that you would need a PPC machine for  AOS 4.

[mikeymike]

Is it the general opinion that the release of AOS 4 will unite the Amiga platform and users and give a definite standard where we can all start?

Nope :-)  Say hello to MorphOS and AROS.

[legion]

Pegasos/morphOS is mediocre and expensive. The operating system is primitive and most likely relatively unstable, and the software base is non-existent. There is nothing innovative or exciting about any of it, except for the fanatics.

But the real reason it has no chance of getting anywhere is that it is based on the needs of people with a tenuous grip on reality. Those who cannot understand the real markets cannot produce what those markets require.

[amigamad]

Well it is the the only amiga operating system that runs on  the new amiga hardware so it should do well . as long as it does not take to much longer before its released .

 pegasos 2 machines will be made soon so sales of os4 might get a bit smaller as the people who hate waiting want something they can use straight away .



 :-)

[Tomas]

The day of the PPC is over, by about 3 years, only chance for Amiga to survive is OS crossover to another platform.

I think the plan is exactly to move on.. But it cant be done right away, it takes a whole lot of time to port, and also what software would you have on x86? All software would have to be ported too :\

But yeah, i kinda agree... ppc seems to be a dying platform.. Looks a little better now though, after that G5 cpu was released.

[Tomas]

The reality of the truth here is my Windows XP box hasn't crashed or blue screened in two years..

Mine has.... The most funny thing was that i installed XP on my laptop a few months ago, first crash was right after bootup :O Though i have not installed any 3th party software and also used only m$ certified drivers.

But i do agree, winNT, 2k/xp is far from as unstable as the previous systems"win9x/me" and such.. Both 2k and winxp is unbearable slow though, even on a modern system it is not very responsive.

[levelLORD]

amigamad wrote:
Well it is the the only amiga operating system that runs on  the new amiga hardware...pegasos 2 machines will be made soon so sales of os4 might get a bit smaller as the people who hate waiting want something they can use straight away .

I have to agree here. I'm waiting for a new amiga hardware/OS soooo long, since 1996 (I think so), and every day I'm becoming more and more impatient. Switching to a new platform is not as easy as some ppl think it is. There is a lot of apps I will miss in the very begining, but still, I can move over it.
If there is nothing in the sky until january-february 2004. I'll probably go MorphOS way. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to buy AO4+hardware in some future, but I just can't wait any more. You got the point here, amigamad.

Regards

levelLORD

[Staticman]

Well as you already know, I gave up holding hope for OS4 a while back. People who have seen my posts on here the last year or so will have seen my once huge optimistic feelings decline to where I am now... moving to the plentiful shores of the Mac.

Its professional, commercial and popular enough and it isnt a Windows PC. I'm happy.

[bhoggett]

@legion

Try to have an original thought of your own. Thinking is so important.

Seriously, if that's meant to be an example of a comment that needs moderation, perhaps you're getting too used to places like AW.net.

While my comment was specific to AmigaOS4/AmigaOne (because that's what this thread is about), it does in fact apply nearly as much to MorphOS/Pegasos, except that the Pegasos is not quite as expensive.

If that's the sort of comment that deserves moderation, we're really beyond hope.

[mikeymike]

@ legion

Pegasos/morphOS is mediocre and expensive. The operating system is primitive and most likely relatively unstable

most likely unstable?  Does this mean you haven't seen it for yourself?  Then what use is your opinion?

I haven't seen MorphOS either, but I don't take to slagging it off.

[GadgetMaster]

bhoggett wrote:

If that's the sort of comment that deserves moderation, we're really beyond hope.

[Fable]
A man was walking along with an egg in a basket that was given to him for free.

On his way he stopped to show a friend.

To impress his friend he started telling him of how he was going to arrange to hatch this egg.

He got carried away in his ramblings ang went off on a tangent of how he would raise the chick to be a fine hen. The hen would lay many eggs half of which he would sell and half he would hatch to expand his business.

He said that he would buy a house with the money.
He would then get married to a fine woman.
They would have many children.
He began describing how his children would gather around him and ask him for money to buy sweets.

"When they will come running and shouting "Daddy! Daddy! Can I have some money??"

I will push them away and shout  NO!"

With that he made a sudden swiping gesture with his hands and managed to drop the basket smashing the egg into many small bits.
[/Fable]

Moral:
Dreamers exist, they expect more than they should , but they have as much right to post as anyone else. , just smile and bear them. :-D

OS4 will be a fine Niche OS just like many others that exist. Nobody involved in the project is claiming that it will set the IT world alight.

Enthusiasm is an infectious bug, It has a strange effect on some people.  ;-)

[bhoggett]

@mikeymike

Forget it. legion was aping my earlier comment about AmigaOS4 but inserting Pegasos/MorphOS instead.

The trouble is that he took the comment out of context and then applied his own deduction as to what it meant.

Yes, both MOS and AOS4 will most likely be relatively unstable when compared to either XP, Win2k or Linux (and probably MacOS X, though I have no experience of that whatsoever).  It's a matter of legacy and design, not competence on the part of the programmers.

[legion]

Thinking *is* important.  And so is objectivity.  The point of the plagiarism was to show that the latter quality is lacking concerning a great many people here, not necessarily you.  It seems to run rampant with certain individuals here.

Mikeymike:  I apologize for blatantly leading you on that one, but it *is* demonstrative of attitude around here lately.  Slagging is only slagging if you happen to be on the side of the slaggin.

[JaXanim]

Getting back to the thread, the A1/OS4+ will only succeed if it is marketed effectively.

The average man in the street insn't an Amigan or a pc fan. He's basically computer illiterate and he'll buy whatever attracts his attention amongst all the contenders. He may be aware of Windows and he will have already accepted  that computers are 'difficult'. That's where effective marketing should be targeted.

OS4 itself will not make the A1 the success everyone hopes for unless those responsible for the Amiga employ somebody (?) who can really sell this thing to Joe Public. He will buy anything that he believes will make life easier or simpler or more enjoyable. Plug the OS too much and you'll lose him at square one.

And to do that effectively means tv advertising more than anything else. Unfortunately, that's the Catch 22 the Amiga faces. It's expensive. Adverts in computer mags will never get the Amiga brand where it needs to be to achieve anything like the success many people hereabouts think it deserves.

Plug it and plug it and plug it....Amiga, made to make you smile.

Cheers,

JaX

[Opi-Poi]

It is my feeling that both AmigaOS and MorphOS will fail.
AROS would continue with a limited user base.
And UAE will carry on as long as there are people willing.

[nac]

And to do that effectively means tv advertising more than anything else. Unfortunately, that's the Catch 22 the Amiga faces. It's expensive. Adverts in computer mags will never get the Amiga brand where it needs to be to achieve anything like the success many people hereabouts think it deserves.

Slightly off topic but I dont actually remember there being any ads on  UK TV for the Amiga during its reign. I know there were some in the US. Were there any in the UK?

I would love the Amiga to reappear in high street shops as they once did under Escom. Sitting in the window running some killer app that grabs attention. So many times I remember seeing the boring old bog standard Workbench screen, how was that gonna generate interest.

 I doubt that this will happen though.