Why revive Amiga?

[kolla]

Linux: it's not standardized yet, there are many window managers around but none of them is the default one on all the Linux distros.

Well, that's what choice is about.

Also, many tasks are still unnecessarily complicated (to copy files to a floppy you need to give "sync" command to fisically do it, just everything I experiment makes the system hang - I'm saying this as a Linux newbie)

And as newbie one can be clueless

You do not need to type "sync", if you want to remove the floppy you only need to umount it. The reason your system hangs is because you remove the floppy without dismounting it. When you dismount it (umount) it will be synced automaticly. Also, if the floppy is VFAT-formattet floppy, you might want to try the mcopy and mdir commands.

[Dagon]

The reason your system hangs is because you remove the floppy without dismounting it.

So is there or is it not any deamon that does all this things automatically, mount, dismount floppies or CD`s when I insert them or when I remove them, without using the mouse and the keyboard, just my finger on the eject of each device. They had told me that exists but I couldn`t find any so the main reason I erased linux (apart that win xp had more apps and games, and linux just took a lot of space for doing less) from my PC was this -->

many tasks are still unnecessarily complicated

I should add: inessential tasks unnecessarly complicated.

But then again I could install something like red hat or mandrake but linux biggots would say that none of them is a good distro and I should install something like gentoo (it`s in fashion this days lol).

I guess they like doing inessential tasks like inserting a floppy or a cd more complicated than they should be.
(other unnecessarly stuff are such as the case sensitive file system which linux users will say that it is a "feature" lol `cause that way you can have two aliases with the same name ie cp Cp lol why not giving a name that has a sense? like saying what does that command or give a clue with adding one letter more?
It is a real pain in the *** when I press tab in the shell and doesn`t appear what I want just because I had a letter in lower case.)

[bloodline]

downix wrote:
@bloodline

What political reasons?  That Hyperion announced that AmigaOS4
requires the use of an MMU hardly classifies it as political, it's
their design decision, just like their design decision to only support
32-bit addressing even tho the PPC spec allows for more (the G4, for
example, has 36-bit).  Just their design choices at work here.
MorphOS was built with the concept of being able to run it on MMU-less
systems, so I understand, so it would, unlike AmigaOS4, run on IBM's
mobile PowerPC core (which lacks an MMU).  Nothing political about it,
the design teams made design choices and it limits the end-choice of
CPU each respective OS will run on.

This does not prevent someone from building a portable based on IBM's
440 core, which does have an MMU, but it does prevent AmigaOS 4 from
running on the 40x cores that lack an MMU that is specified in IBM's
spec.

I didn't know it requires an MMU?!?!?! I assumed they would have an mmu.library in the same way AROS will.
I think that using a library to support optional hardware is a much more amiga way to do things..

[takemehomegrandma]

[Siggy]

So is there or is it not any program that does all this thing automatically, mount, dismount floppies or CD`s when I insert them or when I remove them, without using the mouse and the keyboard, just my finger on the eject of each device.

Automount will do it, but then again I've not had to bother with any of that as Mandrake has had automounting devices for quite some time.

All that said and done I don't think Linux is for everyone. I've played around with it more or less since it's birth and watched it grow in by leaps and bounds (especially over the last 5 years).
When I sold up and moved overseas, a Linux box ended up taking the place of the Amiga I left behind - as it embodied the spirit of 'fun and tinkering' that that the Amiga held for me.
Still it's not for everyone - there are still many apps needed if it's ever to have much mainstream appeal.

One lesson that can be learned from Linux and it's community -- look over the progress and growth over the last 5 years. They have to be doing something right,  and they are playing the 'catchup game' just as the new Amiga community will be.

Siggy.

[amimonkey]

@downix
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/852569B20050FF778525699300551924

Do you mean that series of chips don't have an MMU?

Ian

[HyperionMP]

I suggest you learn how to read.

First of all, many embedded CPU's by IBM do have a MMU like the 440 GP or 440 GX for instance.

Moreover, we were discussing desktop usage, not PDA usage.

The whole idea that you can run a desktop OS lock, stock and barrel on a PDA is ridiculous.

You need to tailor it to specific resolutions, input devices etc.

ExecSG is flexible enough to cope without MMU if that were required.

[downix]

@amimonkey

DOH!  I was confusing IBM's embedded with Mot's.  Egg on my face, my appologies.

[amimonkey]

Heheh - no problem Downix!

Nice to see an apology from somebody for a change! :-)

Ian

[Karlos]

N7VQM wrote:
I concider this a must.  Until MOS and AOS can offer some sort of user security and differentiation (i.e seperately customizable desktops) I won't be using them.  My wife and I can't share a computer without it.

Why, what have you been downloading?

[N7VQM]

Karlos wrote:

Why, what have you been downloading?

 :-o

Actually, it's that my idea from a well-laid out, useful desktop is totally backwards from her idea of a well-laid out, useful desktop.  We were getting into "discussions" over icons, among other things.

[XDelusion]

Of course if you try to explain how Amiga was more compact than Linux to a Linux user, they will ALWAYS begin to brag about how hey got there Kernal to compile in under 1Mb!

 Well that is just sad. For one, I don't need to recompile my dang kernal just to plug in a new piece of hardware, and for second, Amiga OS could boot, multi-task and have a VERY easy to use and configure GUI enviroment in half a Mb! Can't beat that!

[Hammer]

@NewRevolution

My reasons for the Amiga.

Well, comes down to why the Amiga500/1200 did so well in their time.

Transposing why my parent’s bought my first A500 instead of Compaq/IBM 386 machine (installed with OS/2 or Windows 2.x).

Plug and Play games machine + Small office/home/school work i.e. A500/A1200’s targeted market. A parent doesn’t have worry about X86 style computer maintenance (e.g. installing games, careful to avoid heat sinks falling off and ‘etc’) when one packs kid’s leisure machine into their carry bags (for night stay overs with their friends).  

The A500/A1200 is a cheap semi-portable machine with durability/ease of use designed for home/school use.
 
In simple terms, I would like to see a Nintendo Game Cube like hardware with a home/office/school work capabilities. Eyetech’s future cheap AmigaOne would be nice. I recall Alan was stating along this lines (e.g. A500/A1200 targeted market).  "Amiga CD32 Mark 2" perhaps.

The closest to this requirement is Sony's Playstation 2 with Linux add-on kit**, BUT I don’t think Linux is idiot proof enough for the ‘average’ citizen.  

**X-BOX with Linux kit (non-official) is another potential solution.

[Hammer]

Of course if you try to explain how Amiga was more compact than Linux to a Linux user, they will ALWAYS begin to brag about how hey got there Kernal to compile in under 1Mb!

Try it with a pure blown WIMP system (with sufficient software titles availability + plug and play games).  

[artman]

@NewRevoution

"What does Amiga have to offer?"

Why, just ask any of us who have been using the platform for the past 18 years.  Nuff said. :-D  :-D  :-D

[DavidF215]

Speed, easy to use, just works. I really like the speed of the Amiga GUI and how it works. The closest to its speed are BeOS, QNX, and maybe MacOS X. Windows XP isn't quite as fast, but XP is faster than Linux on my Athlon 1900. IMO Linux is more bloated than XP, but that's for another forum. Amiga has a fast, smooth GUI. Amiga is simple enough for the technically challenged yet powerful enough for many power users. I'm getting to the point in dealing with computers (been with it since the Atari 2600/Intellivision) that I want something that is quick, is responsive, is simple to use, and is powerful enough to do whatever I want. Some Amiga programs may cause software failures, but at least a reboot is only 6 seconds compared to 30 seconds with XP, 60+ seconds on Linux. BeOS, which I use mostly for Internet and Email because my A1200 is not yet connected to my LAN, boots in about 7 seconds. The days when computers take more than 10 seconds to boot are over; this is the 21st century. In my technical support experience, Companies lose more money on employees having to wait long periods of time for their systems to reboot after a system crash than (no offense) workers who take many smoke breaks. My $0.02.

And one more thing. Amiga isn't dead nor is it rising from the grave. The Amiga was on temporary leave of absence.  :-)