Why revive Amiga?

[vortexau]

NewRevolution asked:

Yes it would be fun to dust of some old Amiga applications (and games). But how much am I willing to pay for that? $800? I?d rather dust of my old A1200 with my 68030 accelerator card and play with that.

Can anyone out there convince me why I should invest time and money in an attempt to revive Amiga?

IF it would take someone to convince you -- you probally are already satified with your present situation; what-ever it is!

I, don't have to "dust of some old Amiga applications" . . . . I NEVER stopped using Amiga (last 14 years!). My A2000 is 'stuck' at 68060 CPU, PicassoII Display, 2Mb CHIP, 32Mb FAST, and (presently) 4 HDDs totalling 5Gb!
I have my second SCSI Flatbed Scanner, a seven-y-o CD-ROM, and may have to install a USB Card for access to digital camera files!

I'm READY for an upgrade!

 ° No interest in BorgOS -- Mac doesn't give enough "I want to do it MY way" -- Linux is like a house that's NEVER finished!

I think that AmigaOS4 will return that "Loving feeling" so its NOT "gone-gone-gone"! :-)

[NewRevolution]

Yeah - u guys are right.
I'm gonna dust off my A1200 when I get back home. What monitors can I use today with the Amiga???

@ Gopal
We are from the same district :-P I'm from Namsos!

[KingTutt]

You'd be surprised to know that an avid Amigan, recently got his 17" Flatscreen monitor to work with his Amiga1200!

In other words it is quite possible to make your miggy compliant with any monitor out there. In fact, the TV out RGB compatible plugs are very versatile for this very purpose.

[Atheist]

I remember, more than once, running into some files named something like,

ksie1526v
ksie1527v
ksie1528v
...

on 95 or 98, and they were 10 megs each!!! What ever they were, never delete a file on widows, it may be the end of you!

Well, I suppose that true of any os, but WHAT WERE THEY???


Then there's a couple of weeks ago, when on xp, I found out it defaults to 1.5 times the size of your ram, swap files. I have 1 gig of ram. I tried to change it, following instructions I found on the internet, instead it did NOTHING. Then I thought it needed to erase it once (so I changed a setting in the registry), before remaking the new size I chose of 200 megs. Instead it took the 2.26 GHz P4 about 50 seconds to shut down on every power off!

What's wrong with winkdohs?

No RAM: disk, no RAD:, no SHELL, how about not being able to copy all the files from the HD to a 100 meg zip disk (right after installing the OS), then if you need to re-install the OS, just copy it back to DH0:, AND IT WORKS. (Something you may need to do once a year, or less.)

Our desktop AOS4.0 is so small, it can run on a PDA now, without ANY programs being removed!

Able to run IBrowse in ram:, and all your cached pages are there, then not there, if you so please!!!

Boot time less than 16 seconds.

Cool shareware.

No logging in and password crap.

F U N !

AmigaOne! The last personal computer!!!  :-D  :-D

[amigamad]

Because it was a great machine that never reached as high as it should have done.

[bloodline]

Our desktop AOS4.0 is so small, it can run on a PDA now, without ANY programs being removed!

Can it? Have you seen it? I don't know of many PPC based PDAs....

BTW, AROS can already run on Plam devices :-D

NewRevolution wrote:
In the last few days I have been updated on the Amiga front. I?ve found out that Amiga (as we knew it) has divided into two fractions (Amiga Inc and MorphOS), each working towards their own goals? or are they? bla, bla, bla ,blaaaa

I WANT AMIGA BECAUSE AMIGA COMPUTERS ARE FUN! AND FOR ME IS AMIGA PLATTFORM IS A GOOD HOME-FUN-COMPUTER! .......pc and windows are boring and a sadly joke in my Eyes!

[downix]

@bloodline

Actually, IBM has released the spec to one, but AOS4 won't be able to run on it while MOS can.  (The spec uses the low-end 40x series of PPC's which lack the MMU so crucial to AOS4 according to the spec sheet but incidental to MOS)

[redrumloa]

@NewRevolution

Who said you had to pay $800? For an AmigaOneXE, sure. However the basic Pegasos II will only be $299.

[Cymric]

Varthall wrote:
Linux: it's not standardized yet, there are many window managers around but none of them is the default one on all the Linux distros. Also, many tasks are still unnecessarily complicated (to copy files to a floppy you need to give "sync" command to fisically do it, just everything I experiment makes the system hang - I'm saying this as a Linux newbie)

I am not going to turn this into a crash course on Linux, but... excuse me? The window manager thing is unlikely to be resolved, given the fact that X is designed to be fitted with different managers. I can use a very simple or a very elaborate one. Other OSes are as closed as a clam in that regard.

However, what really made me go 'huh?' was that you somehow don't understand the reason for sync. Linux uses a buffered filesystem, so *everything* you write out to disk is cached. This allows for a great speedup of file I/O, since if the data written out is needed again, you just obtain it from RAM. There is no need at all to issue a sync manually---in fact, unmounting the floppy will do it for you. The design is to cache everything, and you can add auto-flushing capabilities later on if you so desire.

Third thing: I am *really* curious as how you manage to lock up the system 'with everything you experiment'. You can crash Linux, but it takes an effort, and to be very honest, I don't think a newbie can do it. So please, to satisfy my curiosity, what kind of experiments do you conduct?

[bloodline]

downix wrote:
@bloodline

Actually, IBM has released the spec to one, but AOS4 won't be able to run on it while MOS can.  (The spec uses the low-end 40x series of PPC's which lack the MMU so crucial to AOS4 according to the spec sheet but incidental to MOS)

Now you mention it I do remember a "mobile" version of the PPC announced by IBM.

I see no reason why MOS can and AOS4 can't other than political reasons. :-D

[Dagon]

You can crash Linux, but it takes an effort, and to be very honest,

Not to me when I installed a couple of years slackware... after a while I just logged as a root and the x server went down... with no particular reason and it was random not always...(maybe it was something I did or it was that distro that had problem), well anyway who cares about linux? I`ve got win xp, the principle is the same, they are not AmigaOS so I`ll choose for my PC the one that has more apps that I need and more games, so win xp is the winner and linux now just doesn`t exist, it took a lot of space from my hd for nothing.

I`ve installed netBSD though in my miggy just for fun and I like it more that linux.

[N7VQM]

Atheist wrote:

No logging in and password crap.

I concider this a must.  Until MOS and AOS can offer some sort of user security and differentiation (i.e seperately customizable desktops) I won't be using them.  My wife and I can't share a computer without it.

[bloodline]

Dagon wrote:

You can crash Linux, but it takes an effort, and to be very honest,

Not to me when I installed a couple of years slackware... after a while I just logged as a root and the x server went down... with no particular reason and it was random not always...(maybe it was something I did or it was that distro that had problem), well anyway who cares about linux? I`ve got win xp, the principle is the same, they are not AmigaOS so I`ll choose for my PC the one that has more apps that I need and more games, so win xp is the winner and linux now just doesn`t exist, it took a lot of space from my hd for nothing.

I`ve installed netBSD though in my miggy just for fun and I like it more that linux.

X Crashes non stop for me... Probably due to some dodgy GFX drivers more than X's fault... but once X goes it can take the Keyboard with it and that's it no more Linux session... Reboot time.

[downix]

@bloodline

What political reasons?  That Hyperion announced that AmigaOS4
requires the use of an MMU hardly classifies it as political, it's
their design decision, just like their design decision to only support
32-bit addressing even tho the PPC spec allows for more (the G4, for
example, has 36-bit).  Just their design choices at work here.
MorphOS was built with the concept of being able to run it on MMU-less
systems, so I understand, so it would, unlike AmigaOS4, run on IBM's
mobile PowerPC core (which lacks an MMU).  Nothing political about it,
the design teams made design choices and it limits the end-choice of
CPU each respective OS will run on.

This does not prevent someone from building a portable based on IBM's
440 core, which does have an MMU, but it does prevent AmigaOS 4 from
running on the 40x cores that lack an MMU that is specified in IBM's
spec.

[kolla]

Linux: it's not standardized yet, there are many window managers around but none of them is the default one on all the Linux distros.

Well, that's what choice is about.

Also, many tasks are still unnecessarily complicated (to copy files to a floppy you need to give "sync" command to fisically do it, just everything I experiment makes the system hang - I'm saying this as a Linux newbie)

And as newbie one can be clueless

You do not need to type "sync", if you want to remove the floppy you only need to umount it. The reason your system hangs is because you remove the floppy without dismounting it. When you dismount it (umount) it will be synced automaticly. Also, if the floppy is VFAT-formattet floppy, you might want to try the mcopy and mdir commands.