what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS

[angrybrit]

Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(

[ottomobiehl]

angrybrit wrote:
Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(

There are a lot of people (that I talked to) who know what Amiga is.  The problem is that they don't know the current situation of Amiga.  Most say, "oh, isn't that the computer from the 80's?"

Sad really. :-(

[BigBenAussie]

What the hey?

My whole response got removed.

It wasn't that inflamatory!!!

Was it? :-?

[Doobrey]

BigBenAussie wrote:

The Pegasos BOX is out and not everyone is buying it, so what does that tell you ?

 The Amiga One is out, and not everyone is buying that either...
 What does that tell us??
 Ever thought that people might be waiting for OS4 to come out so they can finally compare the two systems and decide what they want to buy?

[downix]

I am still waiting for someone to actually point out a technical area where OS4 has a clearly superior point.

[BigBenAussie]

Man, I'm glad I've been away from the community for as long as I have. You're all traumatised and bitter and unenthusiastic because of how these companies have acted. I can see why of course.

But to tell you the truth. I don't care.
And newbies wont care either. There is a lot of good will out there towards the Amiga. We just have to make sure the expectation matches the experience. Currently it does not.

The release of the Amiga One board is just the release of a board. It is the release of a complete switch on and go box with a big fat Amiga logo on the front that will pull in the people both sitting on the fence, and those wanting something different.

Somebody said that people rememember the Amiga for the A500 and its slick smooth scrolling games and music. So be it. Its all good. What we want to have is a slick, almost console like, home computer. A leisure computer. A console I can use as a computer. That's what the Amiga started as, and that is its roots. The OS needs to get slicker to match. IMHO it never quite got there and its not there yet.

Lets see what Gary has in mind.

[Karlos]

what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS?

10 pints and a bag of crisps...

downix wrote:
I am still waiting for someone to actually point out a technical area where OS4 has a clearly superior point.

Speaking purely from a coding perspective...

I don't know enough about morphos' design, but if uses the old shared library model, I find OS4 Interfaces superior to any existing shared code system in AmigaOS 3.x.

Slightly akin to C++ classes, they are more flexible (runtime polymorphism etc), faster (from a calling overhead persective) and cleaner, hence safer, to work with.

[BigBenAussie]

This $800 board is not for converting people its for the converted. Its an early adopter penalty, you get that on any PC hardware as well. If it gains momentum, and I remain enthusiastic, then we will see a price drop that will result in a mainstream Amiga box to convert people with.

[tonyw]

@Nate:"I am still waiting for someone to actually point out a technical area where OS4 has a clearly superior point"

I don't think you'll get such a response from any technical person. But you should have plenty of non-technical people leap up with "points".

Frankly, I don't think it's possible to compare them. Perhaps if you drew up a large spreadsheet, you could assign weightings to the pros and cons of each, and work out a score, but no one would agree with it.

MorphOS has been designed from the ground up to be compatible with old AmigaOS APIs. Presumably some extensions have been added that are incompatible with the old APIs.

OS4 is a re-write of the old code that MorphOS was designed to be compatible with. Certainly extensions have been added that make new code incompatible with the old APIs.

Some of it has been completely re-written and is as modern (or more so) than the corresponding MorphOS feature. Some is just a re-compile of old 68k code for PPC, and the rest is somewhere in between. Oh, and there are some bits that exist only in 68k binary form and have to be emulated (eg ARexx). I don't know where they fit in the spectrum, but MorphOS probably has the same problem.

tony

[Hammer]

ottomobiehl wrote:

angrybrit wrote:
Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(

There are a lot of people (that I talked to) who know what Amiga is.  The problem is that they don't know the current situation of Amiga.  Most say, "oh, isn't that the computer from the 80's?"

Sad really. :-(

Refer to http://techreport.com/etc/2000q3/fes/
as an example of the “Amiga name” in the mainstream press.

[justthatgood]

@ottomobiehl

ottomobiehl wrote:


There are a lot of people (that I talked to) who know what Amiga is.  The problem is that they don't know the current situation of Amiga.  Most say, "oh, isn't that the computer from the 80's?"

At least they acknowledge it's existance.  If you live some place like  Indiana, where most of the people barely know what an AMD is (but can tell you all the race standings of NASCAR drivers), you will be very hard pressed to find people the really know what an Amiga is.  I even surprised the one girl at our public library by identifying the video streamer on our public access channel playing InfoChannel, as an Amiga4000T.  She was confused, as only one other person knows really anything about that computer.  But she sure was tearing into her G4 with the luscious Studio style monitor though.

[Framiga]

Hi,

i like Peg/MOS but in the same time i doesn't like the way Genesi acts. (users "used" like betatester and so on)

I like AOne and MicroAOne (the real kick ass) with the incoming AOS4 . . .why? the first 2 things are:

TCP/IP native stack
CDRW as used floppies (a must)

I know, the delay is great but i prefer to see a real Amiga OS, with "real betatester" and not a perennial MOS in beta stage.

My 2 cents (in euros)

Ciao

[Kronos]

@Framiga

Huh ?
So Eyetech didn't use the people who bought an A1-SE with
crippled NB as betatesters ? They didn't use all those
suffering under unfinished linux-support and firmware as
such ?

And what about that developer-pre-release that is nothing more
than a-beta-that-can't-be-called-beta ?

Genesi atleast had the decancy to exchange those misfunctioning
mobos with fixed ones.

Also everybody knew what stage MOS was when the bought into it,
while I don't think a majority of A1-owners knew the real state
of OS4 at the time they bought the board.

And don't expect OS4 to be trouble-free once it is really
released ....

[Framiga]

by Kronos on 2004/3/21 10:49:54

@Framiga

Huh ?
So Eyetech didn't use the people who bought an A1-SE with
crippled NB as betatesters ?

NOT . . .never.

We have in the Bitplane Team, some AOS4 official batatester ALL under NDA. We cannot ask them NOTHING about the development (even if they are friends).

This is what i call a REAL and SERIOUS betatester.

Ciao