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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2004, 09:50:37 AM »
@Kronos

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RoadShow is still 68k (AFAIK), and most importanly it is still
just as unreleleased as as AmiTCP-PPC for MOS.


Where do you get your information from... :roll:

RoadShow most certainly is in PPC form, I have it right here. And as for being unreleased, true, not to the public yet but I've been using it as my TCP/IP stack in 3.9 and 4.0 for the last three months...
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2004, 09:57:50 AM »
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Kronos wrote:
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RoadShow is still 68k (AFAIK), and most importanly it is still
just as unreleleased as as AmiTCP-PPC for MOS.


Where do you get your information from... :roll:

RoadShow most certainly is in PPC form, I have it right here. And as for being unreleased, true, not to the public yet but I've been using it as my TCP/IP stack in 3.9 and 4.0 for the last three months...


:lol: Looking forward to get AmigaOS 4.0 :-D
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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2004, 10:02:17 AM »
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2004, 10:18:01 AM »
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Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though?  I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.

:pint:


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I have never read it from a reliable source, do you have a link?
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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2004, 11:03:41 AM »
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Guys, any chance of making clear a few things OS4 does have? Or is that against NDA? The thing is, if you aren't using a beta of it, you won't and can't know what it can do yet.


Well there's the featurelist on the AmigaOS site.
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2004, 11:20:17 AM »
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Guys, any chance of making clear a few things OS4 does have? Or is that against NDA? The thing is, if you aren't using a beta of it, you won't and can't know what it can do yet.


Well there's the featurelist on the AmigaOS site.


Would that be the Amiga Inc. AmgiaOS website? :roll:

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2004, 11:24:27 AM »
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Would that be the Amiga Inc. AmgiaOS website?


Yes, but written by Hyperion before you turn your nose up at it before looking...
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2004, 11:45:38 AM »
Please, do not compare what we are not able to compare.

OS4 is not available for the end-user at all, MorphOS is but does
not have all of his features yet, so it's a bit pointless.

We could compare the feature list of each one, but we know all, that
some features will be added/removed for some reason.

Or we can compare of what we have heard...

Someone talk about Roadshow he use everyday for 3 months, great,
but it's not available at all, Amitcp 5 is also accessible to the
MorphOS developpers but not to the end user too.

So we can't say, one has a tcp/ip stack and the other one, no.

The only thing we can tell is, MorphOS is actually available to the
end-user in its beta-stage and OS4, no. Period.
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2004, 01:47:56 PM »
Hoya!

I agree.

Before bashing OS4, wait for it to reach the same state as mos.
The fact it  keeps on being delayed DOES NOT mean it is crap!

N'est-ce pas, KennyR? ;-P

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2004, 02:21:08 PM »
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Oh, MoprhOS is free too


Really? Where can I download a recent version for my ppc amiga?

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Please, do not compare what we are not able to compare.

OS4 is not available for the end-user at all, MorphOS is but does
not have all of his features yet, so it's a bit pointless.


Yup I agree. Theres no need for a new os4 vs. mos thread every week or so imho.

@ paulgerman

If you really are interested in os4 vs. mos "discussions" you can search the a.org forum, there should be lots of threads on this topic. But like TheFab said it all makes no sense until os4 is released. If you read an os4 vs. mos thread you will know what we mean :lol:
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2004, 03:00:54 PM »
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Kent wrote:
Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though?  I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.

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Hi' Kent

I have never read it from a reliable source, do you have a link?


I don't know for certain, but I do know that Roadshow as/is already runs on MorphOS.  I even emailed it's author to see about buying a copy to use on my MOS bos.
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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2004, 03:01:18 PM »
@Karlos

Don't shoot me for sugarcoating what Hyperion themself said
about W3D-Nova. It is still in the design-phase, they did
use the term "white paper" (and how did you expect me to
resist to such an oppotunity  :-D ), and they also stated
that it will be implemented after OS4 is released. Maybe
something has changed an the meanwhile, but then they must
have been an awfull lot quiet bout it, something that is
rather hard to believe...

@xeron
Truecolor-Images were never a Problem since OS3.0 (and since
HW capable of it was available), but those can only used with
the limited functions in CGX/P96, which all are either based on
manipulating 1 pixel or an rectangle area. Try to draw a circle
with that, or have really colorfull GUIs (ain't talking bout
skinning here).

@mikeymike
Featurelist are rather pointless as they can allways be changed,
and since they don't answer the most important question, when
will a feature be implemented. We allready had a lot of
"we have Radeon,JIT, Snap ....." lots of those were just being
licenced/started on at the time the were 1st listed under "we have ....".

@MAD
The fact that OS4 is constanly delayed, while MOS is avaiable
is a major factor, and therefore should go into every fair
comparison. Much much fairer then the constant attempts to
compare "the MOS I saw last year" with "the OS4 thats gonna
be bug-free" one sees from time to time.

/me empties a sack of ash over his head due to RoadShow  :-P
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2004, 03:22:09 PM »
You know, I promised myself I'd not post my comparison of MOS vs OS4, but you know, with all of the goodwill happening on both sides, I figure it can't hurt.  Understand, I do not know the inner workings of OS4, so my data is based soly on reading the featurelist and the various reports from the Friedens (ignoring Herman's statements, no offense Ben. You're a great guy, but not a coder):

Emulator:  MorphOS has Trance, OS4 has Petunia.

API support:  MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS.  OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API.

3D support:  MorphOS already has PPC native 3D from Rave3D + a Warp3D layer with a GL system (JunGL) in late development.  OS4 has thus far only mentioned Warp3D + some new system called NOVA (No idea if it is GL-based or not) along with a MESA port not yet under development (as of October, last time I checked).

Desktop:  MorphOS has full top-to-bottom 24/32-bit color support.  OS4 has various elements still using an 8-bit pen-based system.

TCP/IP:  Both systems have a native PPC stack under development.  From tests, performance is very comparable.

Game support:  ignoring 3D which was discussed earlier, OS4 has a more advanced interface API/driver system than MOS.  In addition, OS4 lists more supported sound cards than MOS.

Included software:  MorphOS's bundles many registered programs with the system (like MUI, Voyager, etc) + offers the Superbundle.  OS4 includes only lists freeware or shareware versions of core applications (such as IBrowse).  Pretty understandable based on each OS's development status, however.  (Don't begin cutting deals for registring software till you're ready to ship)

Architectural design:  MorphOS designed the core module then developed a sandbox for classic applications.  OS4 developed the classic support, with future plans for the core system to be changed/evolved.  I did not discuss ExecSG or any other of OS4's new capabilities in this dept, because all I can do is guesswork based on published docs, not all of which are clear at this time.


My judgement on all of this:  MorphOS's list shows that it is more mature, more "ready for prime-time", but this is not a negative slam against OS4.  Remember, MorphOS has been under active development for going-on 5 years, compared to OS4's 2+ years.  At twice the development age, of COURSE MorphOS is more refined, more polished.  This is not exactly a huge leap of logic here.  I fully expect OS4 to rival MOS's current features in another 2.5 years.  But imagine where MOS will be by that point.

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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2004, 03:31:57 PM »
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hnl_dk wrote:
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Kent wrote:
Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though?  I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.

:pint:


Hi' Kent

I have never read it from a reliable source, do you have a link?


I don't know for certain, but I do know that Roadshow as/is already runs on MorphOS.  I even emailed it's author to see about buying a copy to use on my MOS bos.


Ok, have not tried RoadShow myself, but if it is as good as I have heard, then I hope that you will be able to get a native MorphOS version :-D
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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2004, 03:49:42 PM »
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...API support:  MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS.  OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API. ...

MorphOS supports AmigaOS 3.1's API + PowerUP and WarpOS ... AmigaOS 4.0(beta) supports AmigaOS 4.0's API (big difference)

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...Desktop:  MorphOS has full top-to-bottom 24/32-bit color support.  OS4 has various elements still using an 8-bit pen-based system. ...
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If you are thinking of the icons, remember that in AmigaOS 4.0(beta) every icon has it's own palette


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... My judgement on all of this:  MorphOS's list shows that it is more mature, more "ready for prime-time", but this is not a negative slam against OS4.  Remember, MorphOS has been under active development for going-on 5 years, compared to OS4's 2+ years.  At twice the development age, of COURSE MorphOS is more refined, more polished.  This is not exactly a huge leap of logic here.  I fully expect OS4 to rival MOS's current features in another 2.5 years.  But imagine where MOS will be by that point. ...

Remember the AmigaOS4 development team has not been starting from the scratch... AmigaOS has been under development since 1984...
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Re: what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS
« Reply #29 from previous page: March 19, 2004, 04:00:55 PM »
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Kronos wrote:
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Don't shoot me for sugarcoating what Hyperion themself said
about W3D-Nova. It is still in the design-phase, they did
use the term "white paper" (and how did you expect me to
resist to such an oppotunity  :-D ), and they also stated
that it will be implemented after OS4 is released. Maybe
something has changed an the meanwhile, but then they must
have been an awfull lot quiet bout it, something that is
rather hard to believe...


It's not so much what you say, its the totally condescending "talk down to the inferiors" way in which you *always* address people.

As for your point:

So Nova won't be implemented until after OS4 is released. Why is that such a minus point compared to MOS? I suppose you mean JunGL was integral back when MOS was a flaky alpha version running on CSPPC and didn't just come around until MOS was already reasonably polished on the Pegasos?
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