what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS

[Karlos]

Kronos wrote:
@Karlos

Don't shoot me for sugarcoating what Hyperion themself said
about W3D-Nova. It is still in the design-phase, they did
use the term "white paper" (and how did you expect me to
resist to such an oppotunity  :-D ), and they also stated
that it will be implemented after OS4 is released. Maybe
something has changed an the meanwhile, but then they must
have been an awfull lot quiet bout it, something that is
rather hard to believe...

It's not so much what you say, its the totally condescending "talk down to the inferiors" way in which you *always* address people.

As for your point:

So Nova won't be implemented until after OS4 is released. Why is that such a minus point compared to MOS? I suppose you mean JunGL was integral back when MOS was a flaky alpha version running on CSPPC and didn't just come around until MOS was already reasonably polished on the Pegasos?

[bloodline]

hnl_dk wrote:

...API support:  MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS.  OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API. ...

MorphOS supports AmigaOS 3.1's API + PowerUP and WarpOS ... AmigaOS 4.0(beta) supports AmigaOS 4.0's API (big difference)

...Desktop:  MorphOS has full top-to-bottom 24/32-bit color support.  OS4 has various elements still using an 8-bit pen-based system. ...

If you are thinking of the icons, remember that in AmigaOS 4.0(beta) every icon has it's own palette

... My judgement on all of this:  MorphOS's list shows that it is more mature, more "ready for prime-time", but this is not a negative slam against OS4.  Remember, MorphOS has been under active development for going-on 5 years, compared to OS4's 2+ years.  At twice the development age, of COURSE MorphOS is more refined, more polished.  This is not exactly a huge leap of logic here.  I fully expect OS4 to rival MOS's current features in another 2.5 years.  But imagine where MOS will be by that point. ...

Remember the AmigaOS4 development team has not been starting from the scratch... AmigaOS has been under development since 1984...

That only applies if you really think the AmigaOS sources are worth anything...

As many have tried to explain, the original sources are for all intents (excuse the pun) and purposes worthless. All credit to Hyperion, they have done a lot of work to get OS4 ready.

People seem to think the original sources have some magic incantantion written into them... they don't, they are of far less value than the ROM Kernel Manuals.
 

[Kronos]

@Karlos

Problem is that is not what I said ....

I said :

"Jungl" is allready been worked on, while W3D-Nova is still a
stack of empty papers (or what does the term "white paper" mean ?)
-P

Note that Jungl is NOT Rave3D but the full OpenGL-port that Neko
has been working on for a while (and still isn't released).

This GL-port is gonna be the counterpart for Nova, which will
be implemented after OS4 is released .....

[MarkTime]

I was going to say, the big difference is whether something is released or not, but neither are fully released...so maybe its not such a big difference after all.

MorphOS basically requires a purchase of a peg board, you cannot download it or get it separately...and buying a peg board is a huge problem, as there are no regular channels to buy one.  Pay in advance type of thing.

AmigaOS is not publicly available at all.

still a sad situation.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Is OS4 still the fast java-ish os, or did it become just an hardware dependant OS like every OS, but then AmigaOS?

[mikeymike]

OS4 and Java have absolutely no relation at all.

Hardware dependent like every other.

[bloodline]

mikeymike wrote:
OS4 and Java have absolutely no relation at all.

Hardware dependent like every other.

I think he's talking about the "Original" AmigaOS 4.0... you may have to read some really old Amiga Inc. Press Releases though...

[mikeymike]

"Is" tends to indicate present tense :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

@ MarkTime

That's not true, I have never pre-paid for any of the Pegasos boards I
have bought. Choose a dealer that doesn't charge you until they ship.
No problem at all! :-)

[NicoPPC]

hnl_dk wrote:

...API support:  MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS.  OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API. ...

MorphOS supports AmigaOS 3.1's API + PowerUP and WarpOS ... AmigaOS 4.0(beta) supports AmigaOS 4.0's API (big difference)

What is the difference ?

MorphOS and OS4 has the same "goal in mind" replace and improve the AmigaOS using PPC processor.

The main diff is the "way" the OS is done. Also, MorphOS is "older" than OS4, and could have been "selected" to be the AmigaOS 4 some years ago. But Amiga inc choosed Hyperion instead.

MorphOS is: available, fast, stable, under heavy dev
OS4 is not available, and I can't really say anything else because last time I use it was 5 mouths aga (and it was slow/unstable).

Bye

[Speelgoedmannetje]

bloodline wrote:
I think he's talking about the "Original" AmigaOS 4.0... you may have to read some really old Amiga Inc. Press Releases though...

Urgh, I feared about that...
I rather liked the idea of AmigaOS running on Tao's intent (wich supposed to be quite h/w independant wasn't it?)

I didn't have internet for a long while, 'till approximately when I began posting here on Aorg, so in the meanwhile, I haven't heard about it, and I assumed that it was still the same, but, of course, delayed (wich, obviously, everyone could expect)

So 2 or 3 years ago I posted on the Amiga.com forum.

[BigBenAussie]

IMHO opinion this whole discussion about OSs is moot.

Ultimately we all want the Amiga platform to reclaim its legitimacy in the public eye.

This does not come by selling a hardware agnostic OS like Linux. It comes from having a BOX like a Mac with a big bold AMIGA logo.

If this were not the case we'd be happy with advancing the OS UAE uses. Or we'd be seriously going with AROS and not discussing this any further. Amiga Inc even realised that hardware agnosticism will be selling the Amiga platform short and got hardware deals going.

But we're all sitting around waiting for what?
An AMIGA BOX!!!!

The Pegasos BOX is out and not everyone is buying it, so what does that tell you. ITS STILL NOT AN AMIGA BOX!!!!

As stupid and as crass as it sounds having an Amiga is akin to making a fashion statement. AMIGA is the label.

AND YOU DO WANT THE LABEL. ADMIT IT!!!!
See my avatar. You're already reacting emotionally to it. Notice it does not say Pegasos or Genesi.

[KennyR]

That might be true if the Amiga name wasn't now a joke, having been dragged through the mud by years of delays and vapor. And a $800 motherboard isn't going to win any converts either, no matter how nice the whole setup looks.

[bloodline]

BigBenAussie wrote:
IMHO opinion this whole discussion about OSs is moot.

Ultimately we all want the Amiga platform to reclaim its legitimacy in the public eye.

This does not come by selling a hardware agnostic OS like Linux. It comes from having a BOX like a Mac with a big bold AMIGA logo.

If this were not the case we'd be happy with advancing the OS UAE uses. Or we'd be seriously going with AROS and not discussing this any further. Amiga Inc even realised that hardware agnosticism will be selling the Amiga platform short and got hardware deals going.

But we're all sitting around waiting for what?
An AMIGA BOX!!!!

The Pegasos BOX is out and not everyone is buying it, so what does that tell you. ITS STILL NOT AN AMIGA BOX!!!!

As stupid and as crass as it sounds having an Amiga is akin to making a fashion statement. AMIGA is the label.

AND YOU DO WANT THE LABEL. ADMIT IT!!!!
See my avatar. You're already reacting emotionally to it. Notice it does not say Pegasos or Genesi.

I don't think the Amiga Name really hold much attention now :-( Amiga Inc. killed it...

[billt]

> I don't think the Amiga Name really hold much attention now  Amiga Inc. killed it...

Look at responses to Amiga-related news on Slashdot over the last few years. The Amiga name has not been worth much for a long time. Sad to say, but true. All those guys know what Amiga was, but when something about OS4 comes up all they want to talk abot is how their A500/OS1.3 would never be useful today so why bother with OS4... It's only worth something to the Amiga community, no one outside us remaining users cares...

[angrybrit]

Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(