Is Vampyre not completely compatible?

[kolla]

And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.

What on earth gave you that impression?! Gasp!! :roflmao:

Could it be all the apollo team members posting sneak peak videos on youtube showing off beta cores, all clearly using something that looks mighty like ApolloOS?? :laughing:

[kolla]

If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it, but Hyperion only showed interest in OS3 of late and that's only because of the Vampire's popularity.

Really? My understanding is that is this is Thomas and Olaf _only_, and that they (probably with much, much nagging and pestering) talked Hyperion into endorsing this new fork from OS 3.1.

And because of Vampire? I doubt that, there is a whole range of new hardware around, and Vampire is going AROS, remember? :lol:

[kolla]

Thank goodness you aren't the definitive expert on all things regarding software and piracy.

Too bad he is one of the guys updating the operating system you want so badly to support Apollo Core specific features :roflmao:

[kolla]

Anyways, by not showing any legal interest at all in pursuing the blatant piracy going on with ApolloOS, even when it has been pointed out for them time and time again, the copyright holders clearly seem to endorse the piracy taking place.

[PPC]

I know what would really help, a new version of OS3.x since also 3.9 is heavily outdated and in desperate need for an update.
Most people (me included) already bought OS3.9 a long time ago.

Now i did build my own install from scratch with legal purchased software but it's one heck of a task getting OS3.9 somewhere near the modern age.

A lot of users are not able or do not want  to go down this really long road to get all the bells and whistles working.

Maybe instead of fighting,finger pointing,and make other ppl look bad maybe we should all work together and DO SOMETHING!

[guest11527]

If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it,

An Os does not need to support the features of a hardware. An Os is the fundament for writing device drivers that then support such features.  There will be most certainly no "vampire specific" support in the Os, in the same sense as there was never a specific Phase 5  support in the Os, or a GVP support in the Os. The Os provides sufficient abstractions to support drivers that support whatever hardware needs support for.

So why should anyone believe they now have the resources and the resolve to improve an OS that they've historically discounted as not worth the effort?

There is no "they have resources". There is a "hello there, here is the resource talking to you". Got it?

Based on past history, it'll be a long time, if ever, before we see Hyperion offering any significant OS upgrades for classic Amigas...

There will be no "significant update" given availability, but there will be updates. Whether that is "significant enough" for you I do not know, of course.

There will be certainly less updates if you keep pirating software you do not own.

[guest11527]

Maybe instead of fighting,finger pointing,and make other ppl look bad maybe we should all work together and DO SOMETHING!

Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.

[guest11527]

And all this talk of pirates is ludicrous.  You have to own an existing Amiga to even use a Vampire and I'd wager that 99% of the Vampire users out there already own copies of OS3.x that they purchased legally years ago with their Amigas or in the years after they bought their Amigas.

Once again: I have no problem with people using their legal copies on whatever hardware they own. But I do have problems if people like you point potential customers of Os software to a pirated copy instead of just politely asking them to buy the product they want to own.

It is really that simple: If you want to use it, buy it.

[gregthecanuck]

Hi Thomas -

So to cut to the chase ... get a new OS 3.xxx out the door. Support it. We will buy it. Thanks.

[PPC]

Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.

I can understand that point of view from your side Thomas, but this is a result of OS3.x not being developed for years now, people just want an easy out of the box install experience.

I'm sure almost all will buy a nicely updated OS3 version that makes everything work out of the box (like integrating Picasso96 as a standard for example,something like reqattack,visualprefs etc).
I would buy a nicely updated os3.x in a heartbeat it's one hell of a task to get my config where it is and be happy to pay for, saves me a lot of hassle and well worth the money.

[kolla]

something like reqattack,visualprefs etc

Yikes!

[guest11527]

I can understand that point of view from your side Thomas, but this is a result of OS3.x not being developed for years now, people just want an easy out of the box install experience.

That is the goal, but please understand that nobody is able to square the circle for you. (Do you get the hint with the version number?)

Just to give you ideas: If I would include P96, people with CGFx hardware would run away and complain (rightfully so). If I would update components such that the result does not work with CGFx anymore, people would run away either. Intuition is such a candidate, unfortunately. It is a bit hard to explain here why, but nobody will be able to get a "great integrated system that works fine everywhere" because the market is too fragmented already, ridden with incompatibilities and market participants that did not want to document their work (hint, hint...).

But there are a sufficient number of anoyances left that deserve fixing anyhow. Even if you still have to install your flavour of RTG software (because I cannot enforce people using a specific system) and even if it requires you to install your favourite GUI tweaks.

Let's be a bit realistic what is possible with the existing resources (two developers, essentially). We really do our best. Please understand that the attitude I'm getting here is not exactly helpful.

[PPC]

Yikes!

No yikes, but just a slightly updated GUI, requesters that appear in the middle of the screen, a magic menu +toolsdaemon menu system as a standard, peterk like icon lib (OS3.9 one is dog slow), MUI that sort of stuff.

[gregthecanuck]

I think it would be nice if somehow the new installer provided the ability to install other packages as "third-party add-ons". Doesn't OS4 do that?

That way you could install AHI, MUI, P96 or CGFx, perhaps a Roadshow demo and a browser (netsurf?) as required all in one shot.

Of course I do not know how it is planned to deliver installation media, so this could be very tricky. I believe OS3.9 was provided on CD... would that be the goal with this update? I assume new ROMs are required.

Cheers!

[goldfish]

We need a OS3.9SE or a OS3.6 or maybe even a OS3.1SE

[Louis Dias]

Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.

Personally, I think you and guys like Olaf should embrace a new model rather than be encumbered with the old one.

Start a PATREON and be rewarded for your continued work.  To heck with contracts from owners of a dead platform.  Who knows, perhaps even the Apollo team will become your patreons so that their platform becomes a better sell.

TeamCEMU (Wii U emulator) bring in $16000+ a month...