Is Vampyre not completely compatible?

[Louis Dias]

Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.

Personally, I think you and guys like Olaf should embrace a new model rather than be encumbered with the old one.

Start a PATREON and be rewarded for your continued work.  To heck with contracts from owners of a dead platform.  Who knows, perhaps even the Apollo team will become your patreons so that their platform becomes a better sell.

TeamCEMU (Wii U emulator) bring in $16000+ a month...

[soviet]

Its so funny the Amiga forums are fill of armchair lawyers and vintage copyright police.
They only care about this, what it think they just have fun trolling about copycrap and don't care about anything else amiga related.

[giZmo350]

I think it would be nice if somehow the new installer provided the ability to install other packages as "third-party add-ons".

This is actually a very good idea! It could be implemented with, say, Boing Bag 5. BB5 could deliver essential legal updates along with a bunch of scripts that ask to install 3rd party add-ons.

That way you could install AHI, MUI, P96 or CGFx, perhaps a Roadshow demo and a browser (netsurf?) as required all in one shot.

This would breath new life into 3rd party add-on for sure! Especially freely available packages supporting what ever H/W a user might be sporting in their Amiga. Might require maintenance though.

Of course I do not know how it is planned to deliver installation media, so this could be very tricky. I believe OS3.9 was provided on CD... would that be the goal with this update?

It would be really cool if the scripts could go fetch larger packages via the web during installation of BB5 for those with ethernet. Sort of like an AmiUpdate for OS3.9. For those without ethernet, BB5 could have an option to fetch the desired add-on from a specific folder of compressed packages that the user could pre-populate. This would all hinge, of course, on requesters.

I assume new ROMs are required.

Not for most available/existing software. But, new ROMs supporting moving things around for better system performance, based on user H/W, would certainly be welcome.

[BozzerBigD]

It's a two-way street.  Why should anyone buy an OS or ROMs from dealers who are merely doing what end-users have been doing for years?  Which is copying the CDs/Disks and ROMs.  There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?  

Let's be real here.  The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead.  The OS is dead as well.   Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.

It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64.  No one gets attacked for modding or making those operating systems available on the net for free, but here, this seems to be a haven for arm-chair attorneys who seem to get their rocks off by preaching to anyone who doesn't buy their copy of AmigaOS from a "dealer".  Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous.  And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous.  Only Amiga makes it possible....

This looks like an official product to me!



Dealers that still have stock are not commiting piracy so that doesn't get you off the hook. Would you pirate Windows 98 or XP just because Microsoft doesn't issue security updates anymore? As I've said before people with this ridiculous take on piracy were partly responsible for the Amiga dying. It didn't become a 'proper' enduring computer platform because people like you expected the games for free!!!! They were £29.99 when console games were £59.99. Chavvy thieving Amiga gamers couldn't even pay half price to the developers and publishers that gave us those classics. Some even wrote out the Alien Breed 3D / Worms code sheets by hand to beat the copy protection. Others wrote out the weird hieroglyphs from The Settlers manual. I've visited 'friends' who had these copies. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now! If sourcing OS 3.9 was a problem I'd understand BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TODAY!!!


... and also if you can afford a Vampire you can afford an AmigaOS CD, it's not expensive and you're supporting Vesalia even if H&P and Amiga Inc and the contributors have long since collected their last pay cheque.

[ferrellsl]

Once again: I have no problem with people using their legal copies on whatever hardware they own. But I do have problems if people like you point potential customers of Os software to a pirated copy instead of just politely asking them to buy the product they want to own.

It is really that simple: If you want to use it, buy it.

Where in any of my posts have I directed people to pirate software?  If they already own OS3.x then I see no problem with them modifying it however they see fit or having someone they trust modify it for them for use on a Vampire.  If the person doing the modifications agrees to do it at no cost, then so much the better.  What I get tired of are all the folks here who believe that the Amiga will somehow rise from the ashes to relive its glory days and who attempt to capitalize financially on this flawed vision.  The Amiga is a dead platform and the OS is also dead no matter what you think of yourself and what patches/updates you've contributed in the past.  The Vampire is a hobby just like the retro-console scene.  The classic Amiga has been recreated in the form of an FPGA, just like the retro-NES, retro-Genesis, et al....The Vampire only appeals to Amiga owners who want to replace or enhance their aging and/or dead hardware with a new system that has some enhancements over the original Amiga just like the retro-consoles....no more, no less.  There can't be more than a couple thousand classic Amiga users across the planet and even fewer planning to buy Vampires....and of these there are probably less than 100 who plan to buy copies of OS3.x because most Amiga enthusiasts already own legal copies.  As I said earlier, the Vampire is an accelerator card and you have to already own an Amiga to even use it, so now you expect  those users to buy another copy of OS 3.x from Hyperion simply because they've purchased an FPGA based accelerator?

You clowns are fighting over the Amiga's dead carcass like a bunch of decrepit old vultures who don't realize that the carcass has already been picked clean...it's pitiful.  No one, including you nor Hyperion, is going to get rich off the Vampire, classic Amigas, nor updates to OS3.x. Hobbyists and enthusiasts working in their spare time will continue to be the driving force behind what's left of classic Amigas and the Vampire, not Hyperion nor people who are looking to get rich from any spin-off markets related to the Vampire.  Since Commodore's failure, people better than you have tried and failed to monetize what's left of the Amiga from the ashes, so get over yourself and the fact that the Amiga died in 1992 and isn't returning....that ship has long since sailed.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

So to cut to the chase ... get a new OS 3.xxx out the door. Support it. We will buy it. Thanks.

I will buy it, if only to pick & chose from among the included libraries for the latest/most updated versions.  Same as I've been doing for the past 20 years.  

[ferrellsl]

This looks like an official product to me!



Dealers that still have stock are not commiting piracy so that doesn't get you off the hook. Would you pirate Windows 98 or XP just because Microsoft doesn't issue security updates anymore? As I've said before people with this ridiculous take on piracy were partly responsible for the Amiga dying. It didn't become a 'proper' enduring computer platform because people like you expected the games for free!!!! They were £29.99 when console games were £59.99. Chavvy thieving Amiga gamers couldn't even pay half price to the developers and publishers that gave us those classics. Some even wrote out the Alien Breed 3D / Worms code sheets by hand to beat the copy protection. Others wrote out the weird hieroglyphs from The Settlers manual. I've visited 'friends' who had these copies. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now! If sourcing OS 3.9 was a problem I'd understand BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TODAY!!!


... and also if you can afford a Vampire you can afford an AmigaOS CD, it's not expensive and you're supporting Vesalia even if H&P and Amiga Inc and the contributors have long since collected their last pay cheque.

Yes, we are in violent agreement that legal copies of OS3.x can still be purchased from dealers.  But there ARE unscrupulous dealers who are copying and selling pirated CDs and ROMs.....you don't have to look far....

[BozzerBigD]

@ferrellsl

... and buying one of those unscrupulous copies would be JUST AS illegal as downloading ApolloOS when you don't own the original AmigaOS version it's based on and using at its core! We are not talking about abandonware here. AmigaOS is still developed by Hyperion and H&P although not in the Amiga market any more are still in existence. You can't just steal because you think you can get away with it (although if you have the original disks / CD then fine) and then encourage others to do the same on a public forum (without stipulating they need a software licence) and think that's ok!

[ferrellsl]

@ferrellsl

... and buying one of those unscrupulous copies would be JUST AS illegal as downloading ApolloOS when you don't own the original AmigaOS version it's based on and using at its core! We are not talking about abandonware here. AmigaOS is still developed by Hyperion and H&P although not in the Amiga market any more are still in existence. You can't just steal because you think you can get away with it (although if you have the original disks / CD then fine) and then encourage others to do the same on a public forum (without stipulating they need a software licence) and think that's ok!

This is where I disagree with you.  If I already own OS3.x then it isn't piracy to download a copy off the net. This varies by country so you should be careful who you call a pirate or a thief because this is legal in quite a few places....

As for H&P still developing  OS3.x, you are mistaken.  They stopped long ago.  And saying that Hyperion is currently developing OS3.x for the classic market is a sick joke.  Taking Kickstart ROM images and removing the Commodore trademark and adding the Hyperion trademark is not development.  It's plagiarism.  And collecting a bunch of freely available patches and updates from the net and adding them to the OS3.x disks and packaging it for sale isn't development either.

[kolla]

Who knows, perhaps even the Apollo team will become your patreons so that their platform becomes a better sell.

If they have spare money, they should use that to cover the loss kipper2k had building boards for them first.

[soviet]

This thread was about to help a guy get his vampire working, and the copyright nazis fully derailed it into a nonsense law discussion.

I could suggest him go to the apollo-core forum there he could get some help.

[BozzerBigD]

This is where I disagree with you.  If I already own OS3.x then it isn't piracy to download a copy off the net. This varies by country so you should be careful who you call a pirate or a thief because this is legal in quite a few places....

As for H&P still developing  OS3.x, you are mistaken.  They stopped long ago.  And saying that Hyperion is currently developing OS3.x for the classic market is a sick joke.  Taking Kickstart ROM images and removing the Commodore trademark and adding the Hyperion trademark is not development.  It's plagiarism.  And collecting a bunch of freely available patches and updates from the net and adding them to the OS3.x disks and packaging it for sale isn't development either.

RE-read my post please. You've got the complete wrong end of the stick on a couple of important points.
1) I said it's less of a concern if you OWN the physical copy already i.e. the OS3.9 CD.
2) H&P may NOT be IN the AMIGA MARKET ANY MORE but THEY STILL EXIST!!!!!!
3) Hyperion actively develops AmigaOS (I didn't specifiy OS3.x). But Cloanto DOES sell OS3.1 on it's Amiga Forever package so IT IS STILL GETTING SOLD!

AMIGA OS IS NOT ABANDONWARE YOU CAN'T JUST STEAL IT OR SUGGEST TO OTHERS (HOWEVER TECHNICALLY / LEGALLY INEPT OR IMPRESSIONABLE THEY ARE) THAT IT IS OK TO DO SO!

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

3) Hyperion actively develop AmigaOS

:laughing:


(sorry, I had to.  Just that use of the word "actively", lol)  

[kolla]

I could suggest him go to the apollo-core forum there he could get some help.

Indeed you could, and you should

[BozzerBigD]

@soviet

He got the help he needed. To install ApolloOS. flaviosr had an official copy of OS3.9 he just couldn't get the CD install working on a A500 + Vampire. SpeedD408 who offered the advice clarified that he too had an official OS3.9 copy so everything is fine. I doubt everyone on the Apollo-core forum is so honest. Maybe there should be a requirement to insert an original CD-ROM during the install process to dispel the reputation of ApolloOS as a pirate's dream?

[flaviosr]

@soviet

He got the help he needed. To install ApolloOS. flaviosr had an official copy of OS3.9 he just couldn't get the CD install working on a A500 + Vampire. SpeedD408 who offered the advice clarified that he too had an official OS3.9 copy so everything is fine. I doubt everyone on the Apollo-core forum is so honest. Maybe there should be a requirement to insert an original CD-ROM during the install process to dispel the reputation of ApolloOS as a pirate's dream?

I hope I have found the help I am needing now.
And yes, I have an original copy of OS3.1, OS3.5 and OS3.9 (also older OSes).
I have tested Apollo-OS to see my Vampire working (my fear was to have a bad card). Now I am waiting some new stuff from AmiKit and I hope I will be able to have a "bad girl Amiga"!
I have also other Amiga and I could have used a copy of their OS3.9 but Apollo-OS is pre configured for Vampire and the test have been much more easier.
I hope to have a DVD, two CF, an LS-120 (to be found), the SD and I hope also to add USB and Ethernet! A big project and, I have to be true, Apollo-OS solved many of my doubts! If I get some results I post them while I make steps...