Is Vampyre not completely compatible?

[soviet]

Just download https://apolloos.weebly.com/ write it to CF and you are running.

Ignore the copyright police, they are running on the waambulance very busy enforcing the copyright of dead products that have expired copyrights.


Also you can run your installation inside winuae if you wish i have seen that amikitX will be available for the vampire shortly using a modified installer.

[BozzerBigD]

@Soviet

There's really no nice way to say it really: People like you are scum, responsible for the death of the Commodore in the first place with your X-Copy parties and loose morals and you don't deserve to use a Vampire. Copyright exists for a reason i.e. to pay the people that invested and still invest in the Amiga platform.  H&P are still in business and Vesalia Online still sell the discs so you've got NO excuse not to buy OS3.9. If you don't I hope your CIAs fail and your Vampire short circuits!

[soviet]

So is my responsible the death of commodore ?, and not all the horrible business decisions they do for years and years?.

And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.
So not the only scum around the apollo forum jar! jar! jar! go back  to the waambullance you scurvy dog!.

[amiga1260]

There is a Micro SD card slot on Vampire. You could copy the AmigaOS 3.9 CD content on the card and use SDmount from the Saga driver package and you can install AmogaOS 3.9.

[guest11527]

So is my responsible the death of commodore ?

Not a single person, of course, but who claimed that? The attitude of people like you surely contributed its part.

And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.

Hopefully not. This is a pirated product, and if this type of piracy continues, it is surely the death of any further development of AmigaOs.

Yes, actually, there is development, and yes, the future of the product depends on *you*.

[soviet]

AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 were developed and distributed by Haage&Partner, under license from Amiga. As far as we know, said license has expired by now (and was even revoked prematurely in OS 3.9's case), meaning that there's no party holding the complete rights to these releases at the moment.

[flaviosr]

There is a Micro SD card slot on Vampire. You could copy the AmigaOS 3.9 CD content on the card and use SDmount from the Saga driver package and you can install AmogaOS 3.9.

I am quite blockhead. I have just bought a 4×EIDE'99 Buffered Interface.
Now my more than crazy idea is to use the primary IDE channel for TWO IDEtoCF (I have to find a way to put them on the back of the Amiga) and the secondary IDE channel for the CD-ROM and... now I have to find a slim LS120!
And a clockport interface for A500... but one step near the other!

[BozzerBigD]

@Soviet

So that gives you the right to pirate the software how? You're a moron if you think that OS3.9 is suddenly freeware because H&P have no longer got a licence to develop and distribute further copies :angry: You can still buy new copies online, so how about you support the Amiga dealers and buy one?

[soviet]

Its not freeware and its in a legal limbo, so there no one that can claim rights to it now.
I have no use for the Amiga OS 3.9 cd, i cannot connect one to the vampire.
But purchased an Amiga 3.1 rom from amikit for my amiga 500 so already helped there.

[smerf]

It can be done, I hooked up my CF card in my A4000 to the ide plug, and then hooked up my CD-Rom to my Buddha card where I also installed another Hard drive. I imagine the same can be done in an Amiga 1200 or A600 if they have Buddha cards made for them. This advertisement for Buddha is not an official advertisement, take it for what it is, a hobbyist playing around with his Amiga's and buying what was available at the time as he found the boards to buy.

[ferrellsl]

@Soviet

So that gives you the right to pirate the software how? You're a moron if you think that OS3.9 is suddenly freeware because H&P have no longer got a licence to develop and distribute further copies :angry: You can still buy new copies online, so how about you support the Amiga dealers and buy one?

It's a two-way street.  Why should anyone buy an OS or ROMs from dealers who are merely doing what end-users have been doing for years?  Which is copying the CDs/Disks and ROMs.  There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?  

Let's be real here.  The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead.  The OS is dead as well.   Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.

It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64.  No one gets attacked for modding or making those operating systems available on the net for free, but here, this seems to be a haven for arm-chair attorneys who seem to get their rocks off by preaching to anyone who doesn't buy their copy of AmigaOS from a "dealer".  Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous.  And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous.  Only Amiga makes it possible....

[gregthecanuck]

Ferrellsl -

If it is true that the H&P license has expired, that the developers are no longer being paid for their contributions and that the dealer is just making potentially illegal copies of OS3.9 then yes, it's dead. Like the parrot.

In that case nobody should be buying OS3.9 as in fact they could be supporting piracy. ;-)

From my point of view, I want to put the money in the hands of someone actually updating the operating system and supporting it going forward. If OS3.9 is not being supported, then it is dead. I wouldn't spend a penny on it.

*IF* Hyperion releases a new version with updates and fixes, and carries on supporting it then that deserves consideration. The developers are some of the "good guys" and have a clue what they are doing. Let's wait and see how it goes.

[guest11527]

There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?  

Hold on. How come you know the licensing issues between the dealers and the manufacturer, and how come that you believe that the copies are sold without licenses. You can hardly know how the details. There are certainly licensing models that allow parties to redistribute the product for an extended period, or for a given upper bound of copies, both of which might not have been reached or exploited. In other words, all I'm seeing is that you are trying to find an excuse for your lazyness.

I can tell you what my contract tells, and I can ensure you that it did not provide a "full stop" for distribution of my constributions after two years. So from my perspective, selling 3.9 after all these years is still fine, even if I do not get my share.

Let's be real here.  The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead.  The OS is dead as well.  

No, it's not. Have you seen the announcement at Amiga32? And even if it were, you still not holding the copyright, and still cannot copy it as you wish.

Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.

Everybody using the Amiga should understand that years of work went into the system, and that this requires a *little bit* of compensation.

It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64.  

Probably because the situation is different? I cannot tell where the copyright for the C64 "Os" went, but as far as AmigaOs is concerned, it is still being worked on, and there are still stakeholders for it.

Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous.  

You know what is ridiculous? That people expect something gets done for free, and consider software to be worthless.

And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous.  

No, not at all. It remains piracy no matter what. If you want to support the Os, and you do not yet have a license for the system, you'd better buy one. How on earth can you expect that anyone should support the system without charge just to please the pirates.

[ferrellsl]

Ferrellsl -

If it is true that the H&P license has expired, that the developers are no longer being paid for their contributions and that the dealer is just making potentially illegal copies of OS3.9 then yes, it's dead. Like the parrot.

In that case nobody should be buying OS3.9 as in fact they could be supporting piracy. ;-)

From my point of view, I want to put the money in the hands of someone actually updating the operating system and supporting it going forward. If OS3.9 is not being supported, then it is dead. I wouldn't spend a penny on it.

*IF* Hyperion releases a new version with updates and fixes, and carries on supporting it then that deserves consideration. The developers are some of the "good guys" and have a clue what they are doing. Let's wait and see how it goes.

If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it, but Hyperion only showed interest in OS3 of late and that's only because of the Vampire's popularity.  To date, the only thing they've offered are Kickstart ROMs that they've burned after having replaced Commodore's trademarks with their own and freely available patches that anyone with Google and 15 minutes of spare time can put together.  And honestly, what has Hyperion done for OS4 since it's inception in 2003?  It's still stalled in 2003 and has feature parity with Windows 98.  So why should anyone believe they now have the resources and the resolve to improve an OS that they've historically discounted as not worth the effort?

And besides, the Apollo Team has been doing a bang up job on their own.  I would imagine that once the Vampire cores are no longer in beta that they'll focus more on the OS, whether it's patching OS3.x or improving AROS.  Based on past history, it'll be a long time, if ever, before we see Hyperion offering any significant OS upgrades for classic Amigas...some might say the same goes for OS4.

[ferrellsl]

No, not at all. It remains piracy no matter what. If you want to support the Os, and you do not yet have a license for the system, you'd better buy one. How on earth can you expect that anyone should support the system without charge just to please the pirates.

Wow, now that's a ridiculous statement.  Thank goodness you aren't the definitive expert on all things regarding software and piracy.  All my Timex-Sinclair and Commodore 64 buddies are scoffing at you now.  I have no expectation of support for OS3.x in any form.  It's a dead OS for a dead system.  And besides, what support is really needed that hasn't already been provided over the years by programmers working pro-bono? As for the Vampire, the Apollo Team has been doing a great job and AROS gets better all the time.  They don't need your nor Hyperion's support.  

And all this talk of pirates is ludicrous.  You have to own an existing Amiga to even use a Vampire and I'd wager that 99% of the Vampire users out there already own copies of OS3.x that they purchased legally years ago with their Amigas or in the years after they bought their Amigas.  So now you expect them to buy additional copies just because they've added an accelerator card?  And let me guess, you'll want them to buy their additional copies from Hyperion?

No thanks.  I already own 2 copies of OS3.1 and a copy of 3.9 as well.  I'll continue using them and updating/patching as needed until AROS gets a few more touch-ups.

[kolla]

And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.

What on earth gave you that impression?! Gasp!! :roflmao:

Could it be all the apollo team members posting sneak peak videos on youtube showing off beta cores, all clearly using something that looks mighty like ApolloOS?? :laughing: