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Offline Nlandas

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #344 from previous page: February 21, 2015, 02:36:48 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;783914
i have just read that on amiga-news:

http://www.faillissementsdossier.be/de/insolvenz/1039367/hyperion-entertainment-cvba.aspx

in english:
http://www.faillissementsdossier.be/en/bankruptcy/1039367/hyperion-entertainment-cvba.aspx

Hyperion is bankrupt?


I have been praying that someone who remains with rights to the OS I.P. would come to their senses and Open Source AmigaOS. If we can build a community of developers behind the code based on the original source perhaps someday we can get it ported to x86. Yes, I know AROS has been working steadily on an x86 Amiga-compatible OS but this would be based on the actual source code and the work already done on 4.

I know we all have different ideas of what Amiga is/was but I really miss a lot of what AmigaOS had to offer and my monthly A1200 fix will only last so long. For the longest time I hoped for an x86 port with PCI AGA card but with how fast brute force processors have gotten emulation might be able to offer an abstraction layer to play older games within a new x86 OS.

I'd rather run the OS native and emulate the chipsets than emulate the whole OS and hardware. I'm probably a very, very small minority though and many will just say - run AROS.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #345 on: February 21, 2015, 03:13:07 PM »
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would come to their senses and Open Source AmigaOS

impossible as it has been told 1000 times, so why are you still praying?

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Yes, I know AROS has been working steadily on an x86 Amiga-compatible OS but this would be based on the actual source code and the work already done on 4.

what is that "work already done on os4" that are you missing with aros? actually aros misses some optimiztation on 68k still it runs better under uae than os4.

arguing like that you sound definitely like you were effectively one of those "name followers".
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #346 on: February 21, 2015, 03:14:27 PM »
Quote from: Nlandas;785035

I'd rather run the OS native and emulate the chipsets than emulate the whole OS and hardware. I'm probably a very, very small minority though and many will just say - run AROS.


I totaly agree.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #347 on: February 21, 2015, 03:16:08 PM »
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I totaly agree.


you can run aros on actual hardware. not emulated. not even on ppc. actually i think you can already run aros on fcpga acellerator for a600.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #348 on: February 21, 2015, 03:30:03 PM »
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you can run aros on actual hardware. not emulated. not even on ppc. actually i think you can already run aros on fcpga acellerator for a600.


I have tried aros, but it is not TRUE AmigaOS.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #349 on: February 21, 2015, 04:01:25 PM »
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i have tried aros, but it is not true amigaos.


roflol!!!!
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #350 on: February 21, 2015, 04:10:09 PM »
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I have tried aros, but it is not TRUE AmigaOS.


another name victim. alright.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #351 on: February 21, 2015, 04:31:32 PM »
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I have tried aros, but it is not TRUE AmigaOS.


I think we've all been there.

Which of the following is closest to how you see it:
TRUE AmigaOS lives on with AmigaOS4.x, despite there being no corporate or developer continuation from the previous version (3.9) because its based on the same sources.. except the kernel and some other stuff.
TRUE AmigaOS died with 3.x, since that's the end of 68k hardware support commodore and the original development team (in any form).
TRUE AmigaOS is about the filesystem layout, the cli, how the kernel works, the user experience, the application frameworks, the gui, etc.
TRUE AmigaOS is trapped in Amber since the day Commodore closed its doors.

Or

The idea of which is the TRUE AmigaOS is kinda silly ~20 years after the platform died. Use what you enjoy using, avoid that which you don't. :)
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt or not
« Reply #352 on: February 21, 2015, 05:01:36 PM »
Quote from: QuikSanz;784813
Sorry. Please consider the thread abandonware.

Unless, Hyperion somehow manages to survive this bankruptcy action, the most probable future of OS4.x is abandonware! :D
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #353 on: February 21, 2015, 05:09:21 PM »
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TRUE AmigaOS is trapped in Amber since the day Commodore closed its doors.

Or

The idea of which is the TRUE AmigaOS is kinda silly ~20 years after the platform died.

None of the above. It is kind of silly trying to revive a ~20 year old system by trying to implement a lookalike on a similarly dead hardware platform. Take AmigaOs as it is: An operating system oldtimer that requires - like an old car - quite a bit of maintenance to keep it running, and that is fun to ride with on weekends just for the matter of itself. Everything else is, IMHO, just ignoring the facts.  I find it "fascinating" that some parties consider this platform economically viable beyond that and consider the old 68K hardware a competitor, but maybe that's only me.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #354 on: February 21, 2015, 05:17:57 PM »
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I'm very happy with my Amiga OS4.1 machine, so Hyoerion has made some positive things. Amiga OS4 is very faithfull for original OS.


Have they really? I thought a business was about getting new people to your products and to make money but in Amigaland it has always been the complete opposite......Every single Amiga product which has been positive in getting fresh blood has been destroyed in favour of catering to the small tiny vocal community, who do not want change (even when it has such a detrimental effect on their favourite platform).

The die hard users will never admit that they played a major part in the continued downfall and sure you are in your elite club with a couple of hundred users etc, however was shutting the doors on potential new users worth it? In the Amiga community, the answer is yes.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #355 on: February 21, 2015, 06:34:59 PM »
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Have they really? I thought a business was about getting new people to your products and to make money but in Amigaland it has always been the complete opposite......Every single Amiga product which has been positive in getting fresh blood has been destroyed in favour of catering to the small tiny vocal community, who do not want change.

Let's think about what the Amiga market is, and what it isn't. What I don't understand is that some parties still seem to believe that AmigaOs (or whatever you call it today) can compete to mainstream computing, and act as if they are on par with Microsoft or Apple. However, such times are long gone, a long time ago, and there is not enough man power, not enough users and not enough market share to make this realistic. Actually, the whole computing marked is driving away from desktop machines, or rather, had made this transition already a couple of years ago.

If you want a higher market share, you should understand the market. The Amiga market (if there is such a thing) is no longer defined by competative hardware and multimedia experience like it was years ago. Any attempt to do so means running behind a market that is long gone.

The platform is how CBM left it 20 years ago, and people keep this hardware because they enjoyed exactly that, and not rebuilds that try to immitate the same user experience on similar exotic, but still outdated hardware. In fact, if you would want only that, one can simulate the same user experience, and more computing power without all the expensive exotic hardware on mainstream PCs, only for a fraction of the investment.

So, finally, what is Amiga and what isn't? It is the same freaking oldtimer it was 20 years ago. That stuff can be modernized, slightly, for the joy of it. That is, actually, a small niche market in the same sense rebuilding old cars is a small niche market. Trying to change this definition means just ignoring the situation.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #356 on: February 21, 2015, 06:58:09 PM »
what is most annoying ist that constant talk of something being "true" or not, in the manner hipsters love to argue about.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #357 on: February 21, 2015, 07:00:31 PM »
Quote from: alphadec;785041
I have tried aros, but it is not TRUE AmigaOS.


not TRUE Amiga? Why? Explain it to me because I honestly do not understand

i use lots of Amiga software on it (Aros 68k)

here is a comparation of intuition on 3.5 / AROS / AmigaOS 4.X

http://www.aros-platform.de/html/intuition.html

if you compare you see that AROS implements almost 100% of 3.5

So what is not "true" there?
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #358 on: February 21, 2015, 07:17:54 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;785066

The platform is how CBM left it 20 years ago.


And why is that. ?

Amiga have had one problem from day one, and that is incompetent people running the company. The technical people was more like wizards but those who was to sell it, directors/ceo, etc was complete idiots. All they wanted was fast pay back and when that did not happen they did bled the company dry until it was dead.

Now 28 years after cbm closed the doors there is amazingly still users who still are using this computer in fact maybe the best computer ever made on zero budget.

And what is the amiga marked today. ?
It is two parts. The first is a company who makes linux/clones with a amiga layer and they call it amigaone. And these are so expensive and so faraway from what amiga was.

Part two: Take any other computer and tell me what other users starts to make a clone (fpga) and operating system. So this is the future for amiga platform since there is no vision for those who holds the rights. SO our only future is you and me the users to pick up what commodore did'nt want or could do.

I believe in the users and I dont think this computer will ever die.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #359 on: February 21, 2015, 07:20:29 PM »
Im sure "true" can be changed for "familiar OS based on nostalgica" ;)

Just like me, I stick to AOS 3.x on my A1200 for no other reason its the OS I used in the 90s.
I have no rational reason for not switching to AROS, its just lazyness and nostalgica Id say (on my own part).