The Red One X vs x1000

[kamelito]

I suppose things like that can happen if it's referred to as being Amiga instead of the correct Amigaone.

Since PPC Amiga do have an 680x0 emulator and that audio can be redirected to AHI through a patch isn't PPC Amiga1 able to run games that are system friendly?

Kamelito

[danwood]

Since PPC Amiga do have an 680x0 emulator and that audio can be redirected to AHI through a patch isn't PPC Amiga1 able to run games that are system friendly?

Kamelito

How many games were system friendly though?  I'd say about 99% certainly weren't, definitely nothing from the Amiga's heyday.  

If someone wants an OS4 machine then fair play to then, but trying to sell it to someone who just wants to play Cannon Fodder and Gods, and mess with DPaint is misleading and will lead to an unsatisfied customer.

[wawrzon]

Since PPC Amiga do have an 680x0 emulator and that audio can be redirected to AHI through a patch isn't PPC Amiga1 able to run games that are system friendly?

Kamelito

if these are rtg games then perhaps, but which one are these? otherwise an ng system (amigaone or whatever is it called) needs to emulate an amiga just as pc does. and according to reports the ng systems in contrary to windows pc are too week to guarantee full speed emulation, mostly because 68k jit for ppc isnt finished.

[wawrzon]

Warp3D Driver: more exciting news in Q2/2015

we are hearing that warp3d is around the corner every half a year since few years, last time from amiwest 2014, which has been followed with a complete silence on the subject just as before.

There are several other announcements to come soon which will benefit the X1000.

announcement of a soon announcement is another example of what is customary to be issued, and hardly ever to prove if it ever has been delivered, since the content of announced announcement content might have been announcement of an another announcement.

[rzookol]

Mac mini G4 >1.42, Powerbooks and Powemac G5  give ~060@80 mhz speed emulation. X1000 gives a bit slower speed but not much. Mac mini with MorphOS is the best option for newcomers and costs 10 times less than X1000 having similar speed.

[spirantho]

I think it's worth reminding ourselves that the OP did specify he wanted to run OS4 and follow its development as well as play classic Amiga games, and the X1000 remains the best machine to do that.

My main use will be to have one system where I can put all of my classic amiga games into and fiddle with os4.1. I'm not going to get any true work done on this, so it's more of a hobbyist system to see where os4 goes.

[amigakit]

announcement of a soon announcement is another example of what is customary to be issued, and hardly ever to prove if it ever has been delivered, since the content of announced announcement content might have been announcement of an another announcement.

I think A-EON Technology Ltd's track record on following up on announcements is very good over the last 3 years that it has been involved.  Warp3D is one announcement that is currently outstanding but not for long now.  A-EON now has purchased Warp3D so now has far more control over this project.  The RadeonHD project in both 2D and 3D terms is a mammoth achievement for AmigaOS and support for the latest R5/R7/R9 RadeonHD cards is very exciting.

[rzookol]

Sorry but for running 68k games and following Os4 development WinUAE PPC on a fast PC is a way better/cheaper. Maybe after releasing 3d drivers X1000 would be useful but now WinUAE provides similar support except speed.

[spirantho]

Sorry but for running 68k games and following Os4 development WinUAE PPC on a fast PC is a way better/cheaper. Maybe after releasing 3d drivers X1000 would be useful but now WinUAE provides similar support except speed.

You can't truly follow OS 4 development on WinUAE. For starters, WinUAE still has some bugs in it, and is likely to cause instability.
Secondly, WinUAE supports 128MB RAM max, which is very limited when you want to run things like Odyssey, let alone Timberwolf.
Then there's the composite support which is completely missing under WinUAE.
Then the fact that WinUAE's FPU emulation is incredibly slow.

WinUAE's emulation of a CS-PPC is not a good indication of OS4 and should only be seen as a small taste of what can be achieved.

[OlafS3]

You can't truly follow OS 4 development on WinUAE. For starters, WinUAE still has some bugs in it, and is likely to cause instability.
Secondly, WinUAE supports 128MB RAM max, which is very limited when you want to run things like Odyssey, let alone Timberwolf.
Then there's the composite support which is completely missing under WinUAE.
Then the fact that WinUAE's FPU emulation is incredibly slow.

WinUAE's emulation of a CS-PPC is not a good indication of OS4 and should only be seen as a small taste of what can be achieved.

As I understand it he is not interested in seriously developing or working with AmigaOS but only looking at it from time to time and for the rest he wants to play 68k games. For that he does not need new expensive PPC hardware and WinUAE and a modern hardware (PC) that he propably already owns is more than enough. For 68k games Amigaforever is very good or the distribution I work on. Buying hardware for $3000 is a complete overkill in my view.

[OlafS3]

Sorry but for running 68k games and following Os4 development WinUAE PPC on a fast PC is a way better/cheaper. Maybe after releasing 3d drivers X1000 would be useful but now WinUAE provides similar support except speed.

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[OlafS3]

Thanks for the quick responses. Looks like the x1000 could be the one. One last question. Anyone know when the x5000 is looking to be released? Thanks again for all the feedback.

as Spirantho wrotes the "Classic hardware" version of AmigaOS is limited  due to old lhardware limitations. It would of course be no problem to  solve that (by Hyperion) but because they officially do not support  WinUAE as platform do not expect them to solve the problem. If you want  to use AmigaOS as a work environment emulation is not the perfect  solution, if you only (as I understand it) use it for sometimes look at  it it is propably ok.

For beginner that want to run 68k games and other amiga software (if you  not yet own all) amigaforever is a good option. The included roms are  also useful if you want to use Whdload.

[Rob]

as Spirantho wrotes the "Classic hardware" version of AmigaOS is limited  due to old lhardware limitations. It would of course be no problem to  solve that (by Hyperion) but because they officially do not support  WinUAE as platform do not expect them to solve the problem. If you want  to use AmigaOS as a work environment emulation is not the perfect  solution, if you only (as I understand it) use it for sometimes look at  it it is propably ok.

For beginner that want to run 68k games and other amiga software (if you  not yet own all) amigaforever is a good option. The included roms are  also useful if you want to use Whdload.

Well for €30 it doesn't hurt to try out OS4 on WinUAE to get a feel for it and see if he wants commit funds to dedicated hardware.

[spirantho]

WinUAE is good to get a taster, but if you want to follow OS4's development progress, then you should get a machine that is fully supported by OS4.... otherwise most of the development you'll never see or appreciate.
If you just want to try OS4, though, WinUAE is the way to go - as long as you don't think it's the same experience as you'd get on a full machine like an X1000.

[itix]

Well for %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;30 it doesn't hurt to try out OS4 on WinUAE to get a feel for it and see if he wants commit funds to dedicated hardware.

Makes sense. Try it on WinUAE and see if it fits to your purpose. If you still want new machine you probably know better which one you want. It worked well to Pavlor who was waiting new AmigaOne for years.

Besides, when you buy OS4 for PowerUp Amigas Hyperion get their money anyway. If you buy AmigaOne later Hyperion is getting twice as much.

[Rob]

@itix

What happened there?