The Red One X vs x1000

[Rob]

@itix

What happened there?

[cpaek72]

Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Yeah, it's a bit confusing about the emulation part. If the x1000 and other AmigaOne's have to emulate all the classic software, then the only thing left is a ppc linux box? So, why have it run on PPC if it can't run any of the old amiga software natively? Is the integration of the emulation into os4.1 better than what's currently avail on windows and mac? Just curious. Probably talked to death on the forums, but I do want to get a machine where I can support the amiga cause and that bit of nostalgia is what's driving me to consider a machine and not winuae. Does that make sense?

[rzookol]

Nobody said that X1000 needs to emulate all classic software. All software which doesn't use hardware directly works (pagestream, imagefx, photogenics, ...). Most of games (+protacker and some older software) don't  use operating system and they require emulation using euae. MorphOS has the same (similar) abilities to run amiga software. There is Aros also but it doesn't run amigaos programs on any decent hardware.

[takemehomegrandma]

I think A-EON Technology Ltd's track record on following up on announcements is very good

:laughing:

Well, since *you are* A-Eon I'd be worried if you thought differently... :lol:

[wawrzon]

Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Yeah, it's a bit confusing about the emulation part. If the x1000 and other AmigaOne's have to emulate all the classic software, then the only thing left is a ppc linux box? So, why have it run on PPC if it can't run any of the old amiga software natively? Is the integration of the emulation into os4.1 better than what's currently avail on windows and mac? Just curious. Probably talked to death on the forums, but I do want to get a machine where I can support the amiga cause and that bit of nostalgia is what's driving me to consider a machine and not winuae. Does that make sense?

morphos and os4 are able to run a choice of system conform amiga software via 68k cpu emulation as if it would run on genuine amiga. but that hardly includes any games, because as you yourself said the os4 machines are nothing other than regular pc ppc systems with regular pc expansion ports like pci, usb, vga to the point that they usually are better support by linux than by os4. as example linux has gallium and 3d hardware acceleration as well as multicore support, os4 obviously doesnt. to put it stright there is no technical continuity between amiga and os4, aros or morphos hardware. if you are looking for a further development of technical concepts behind genuine amiga you might look at various fpga projects like for instance this one:
http://www.apollo-core.com/

[spirantho]

AmigaOS 4 isn't PPC Linux. It's AmigaOS.

AmigaOS 4 runs most software which doesn't use the chipset, so games you'll need to run UAE for (which is part of AmigaOS 4 now, via RunInUAE) - but anything else runs. You can even run things like PC-Task if you're particularly crazy. Compatibility with AmigaOS 3.1 is very good on AmigaOS 4, and uses a JIT interpreter called "Petunia" which is very fast - much faster than you'd get on a real 68K Amiga.

Classic 68K Amigas are better than the NG Amigas only for games. Almost anything that uses the OS is better on an X1000, as it runs most OS 3 programs alongside OS 4 programs seamlessly.

Edit: Incidentally, if you have a Catweasel Mk4, you can install 68K Amiga games using WHDLoad exactly as you would under OS 3. Install the game (e.g. Gods or something), then double-click on the "Gods" icon and it'll start up UAE and boot Gods automatically. There's a little bit of setting up of the Catweasel drivers, but not much, and after that's done you can play your 68K games just by running them.

UAE will never be as good as a real 68K Amiga, but it's a pretty good emulation now and is integrated into OS4.

[danwood]

nostalgia is what's driving me to consider a machine and not winuae. Does that make sense?

If it's nostalgia then an actual Amiga would be the machine I'd go for.  

Again it depends what you want to do, in your original post you mentioned classic Amiga games as being a bit draw.  It really depends, if you want to see what the Amiga was famous for (games, demos, legendary programs that the system is known for) then get an actual Amiga.

If you're more interested in seeing the current state of AmigaOS, and using stuff like Webkit browsers, listening to music and watching videos etc.  then an X1000 will let you do all that for a price.  But if it's the classic stuff you're interested in, get an actual Amiga.  And yes I do see the difference between emulation and the real deal.

There is plenty you can do with a real Amiga including exploring the demo scene, games and enjoying the OS.  See my video on my Commodore Amiga 4000 for a recent example: http://youtu.be/pxi47Ut1gCQ?t=16m32s

And an A1200 one if you like http://youtu.be/0_kZoYqcpB4

I'm not anti-OS/NG (I have used OS 4 in the past, and I DO use MorphOS), but I think you need to be more specific on what you're interested in so we can advise you, before you spend unnecessary money.

[danwood]

games you'll need to run UAE for (which is part of AmigaOS 4 now, via RunInUAE) - but anything else runs

This is an exaggeration, there is certainly a high percentage of non-game 68k Amiga software which does not work properly or at all on "NG" systems.

[itix]

@itix

What happened there?

What?

Nothing. Besides, X5000 is going to have better software support. If I had to buy new OS4 system it would be either SAM460 or X5000.

[spirantho]

OK, NEARLY anything else runs. . But the ones that don't I come across a lot less frequently than the ones that do.

[Rob]

What?

Nothing. Besides, X5000 is going to have better software support. If I had to buy new OS4 system it would be either SAM460 or X5000.

I meant "€" turning into "%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;".

[Duce]

If you buy a NG OS4 machine under the guise you'll simply be able to "plug and play" all those oldie fave games and demos you toyed with 20 years ago on legacy hardware, a fool and his money are quickly parted.

I love both my SAM and my MOS machines, but to think of buying either to get a hassle free experience of your youth that you had 20 years ago on your old A500, you'll be sorely let down.

The smart option would be to grab UAE and OS4 FE and give it a whirl, see if you even like the OS4 experience at all to begin with.

Anyone telling you that you can sit around all day long, downloading old (legacy, 68k) games and demos on a NG machine and just unpack them to RAM and run them without the buffer of an emulator (yeah, emulating an Amiga on an Amiga type of deal) - well, you're simply not being told the truth.  And I can say that as the owner of a pre-order SAM440 from 2008, 7 years of experience with it.

Thankfully, I had no illusions nor desires to run oldie SW on the SAM, and I love the machine for what it is.

I don't wish to badmouth any NG system - they are super, as long as you realize what they can and cannot do.  I question the sanity of anyone buying a $3000 X1000 with dreams of running old games and demos, many - if not most, would require you running an emulator on the machine just like you would have to on a $150 Wintel PC.

[itix]

I meant "€" turning into "%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;".

Oh. Dont take it so seriously.

[wawrzon]

a fool and his money are quickly parted

not a fool, just a newcomer, who is a victim of misleading information.

yeah, emulating an Amiga on an Amiga type of deal

correctly, its emulating amiga on an "amigaone", if people wouldnt insist on calling things what they are not, it would be more honest and helpful towards visitors.

@cpaek72

if i was you i would take my time and observe a little before taking a serious decision, not to regret it later. especially i wouldt base it on persuasion to support something, before you know very well, what it is.

[Rob]

Oh. Dont take it so seriously.

Just a bit WTF but I'll not be losing sleep over it.

[amigakit]

You may have noticed that A-EON Technology Ltd has been buying famous Amiga software applications recently.

These applications are much loved by a lot of Amiga users worldwide.  These are reasons why people choose Amiga as well as the familiarity of the AmigaOS.

The idea is to natively port these Amiga applications from the older Classic to the newer AmigaONE X1000 and successor machines so no emulation is required.  In addition, these applications are being updated to build on their familiar look, feel and way of working but modernise them to make them more functional and feature-rich.

The first application to be ported was PPaint, which in addition to be ported to the X1000, has been updated to version 7.3a.  In addition the improvements have been back ported to the Classic Amiga so the new version 7.3a exists for both the new AmigaONE and Classic Amiga systems.  A-EON does not forget that there are lots of Classic owners out there still.

The next applications to undergo this upgrade will be ImageFX, Aladdin 4D and some other surprises to be announced soon.

It is also an objective to integrate all A-EON owned software so it interacts together more easily.