The Red One X vs x1000

[cpaek72]

Guys, i'm trying to decide which amiga to purchase. I've read through a lot of materials on the x1000 and the upcoming x5000 and need advice on driver support and which system in general just is better for now.

I know the x1000 has more potential, but the driver support seems lacking, especially the wasted cores and 3d driver support, but the sam460ex also seems like it has similar issues.

My feeling is go with the sam460ex The Red One X and save the money until they figure out the x1000, 5000etc.

My main use will be to have one system where I can put all of my classic amiga games into and fiddle with os4.1. I'm not going to get any true work done on this, so it's more of a hobbyist system to see where os4 goes.

What do you guys think? Should I just go for the x1000 and wait for the support?

Can I play all amiga games on these systems including aga games? Thanks. I'm pretty new to the amiga scene.

Charles

[danwood]

>Can I play all amiga games on these systems including aga games? Thanks. I'm pretty new to the amiga scene.

No you can't, you'd need to emulate an Amiga on them to play Amiga games, they don't have the chipset.

To be honest, if your main attraction is classic Amiga games and tinkering with the OS, you'd probably be better off with an old Amiga 1200 with a few recent expansions, accelerator, bit of ram, and a cf card full of games.

[danbeaver]

From discussions 2nd core support will be in OS4.2, as will the onboard Ethernet port (supported in Ubuntu, as is USB 3.0); the X5000 uses a less expensive and more powerful (but not military grade) CPU.  Go with your instict (cost vs power) though.

Guys, i'm trying to decide which amiga to purchase. I've read through a lot of materials on the x1000 and the upcoming x5000 and need advice on driver support and which system in general just is better for now.

I know the x1000 has more potential, but the driver support seems lacking, especially the wasted cores and 3d driver support, but the sam460ex also seems like it has similar issues.

My feeling is go with the sam460ex The Red One X and save the money until they figure out the x1000, 5000etc.

My main use will be to have one system where I can put all of my classic amiga games into and fiddle with os4.1. I'm not going to get any true work done on this, so it's more of a hobbyist system to see where os4 goes.

What do you guys think? Should I just go for the x1000 and wait for the support?

Can I play all amiga games on these systems including aga games? Thanks. I'm pretty new to the amiga scene.

Charles

[spirantho]

The X5000 will have much the same limitations as the X1000, so I'd go for the X1000 now. If you want the power to run classic Amiga games (including AGA) you need at least a 460ex and preferably an X1000, but it will be in UAE as modern Amigas don't contain the original chipset - there's nothing like a real 68K Amiga for classic games, and no emulation will ever beat it IMHO.... but if you also want to mess around with OS 4.1 then the X1000 is the current best, and you won't notice the lack of use of the second core much. You can use a PCI graphics card if you need 3D, the on-board sound works fine, and the X1000 comes usually with a supported network card.

The X1000 is the best bet for what you want - fast enough for AGA emulation and the current fastest OS 4.1 machine there is.

[NovaCoder]

To be honest, if your main attraction is classic Amiga games and tinkering with the OS, you'd probably be better off with an old Amiga 1200 with a few recent expansions, accelerator, bit of ram, and a cf card full of games.

Agreed, keep it real

Or even WinUAE or an FPGA based solution (MiniMig etc).

Much cheaper than a new PPC machine if you just want to play Classic games.

[amigakit]

@cpaek72

Just to clarify on the AmigaONE X1000 driver support:

HD 7.1 Sound Driver: completed and released
NemoSound: completed and released
RadeonHD v1.2 and v2.4 Driver: Completed  and released (optional v2.4 driver gives accelerated video playback)
DMA accelerated graphics card library: completed and released
4GB support: completed and released
AMIStore: RC1 available

Warp3D Driver: more exciting news in Q2/2015

Regarding the cores, just one core of the X1000 is significantly faster than any other currently released AmigaONE.

A-EON will continue investing in the X1000's future.  You may have noticed the software that has been purchased recently such as ImageFX, PPaint, Aladdin 4D etc.

There are several other announcements to come soon which will benefit the X1000.

[klx300r]

@ cpaek72

first off welcome aboard:)

The A1-500 (aka RedOne 460) is a great sturdy machine and many users are reporting that AGA games are running smooth on it especially with the new E-UAE JIT which was recently released in RunInUAE.  If you want to get the current king of AmigaOS machines then spend the extra money to get it along with future dual core support etc.  If you want to wait and see what the new upcoming X5000's will cost and be like then you have that option as well.  
Either way it's a fun time to get back into Amiga both classic and NG for sure!  

@ amigakit

you mean with OS4.1FE the full 4GB ram can be used now? I just recently installed FE and my WB is still reporting 2GB?

[cpaek72]

Thanks for the quick responses. Looks like the x1000 could be the one. One last question. Anyone know when the x5000 is looking to be released? Thanks again for all the feedback.

[slayer]

The AmigaOne X1000 is the machine you want! Trust me :-)

hmmm, I still collect old Amiga titles, the last one being Boulder Dash Construction Kit (1989) a few weeks ago - as for the old Amiga machines, I've got a few too many of them already

I get my game fix on the xbox one these days

Get into the modern machine era, it's great fun!

[danbeaver]

There was a hint that release of the X5000 would be in about a year.

As to the 4 GB support, 2 GB for normal operation (32-bit OS) with the other 2 GB as mapped memory, currently accessed thru the RAM: device. The hooks are there for folks to put it to use in their own programs.

[Duce]

For playing legacy games, I find any of the NG systems a grand waste of money, and I say that as an owner of a SAM system myself.  I love my SAM, but I'd find it lunacy to buy one to try and get my legacy Amiga fix with.

For games, a lot of the time you end up having to use UAE on that fancy PPC NG Amiga to run said game, and $3000 is a lot of money to spend for a niche system when a Windows box with WinUAE is pretty much a commodity.  

Of course, many older, legacy games and programs will run natively in OS4.  Many also will not, and you'll end up having to "emulate an old Amiga on your expensive NG Amiga".  I'd have a hard time spending much money on that, but YMMV.  That being said, legacy app support on OS4 via UAE is great, just a point and click affair.

[takemehomegrandma]

save the money

That sounds like a good idea!

[danwood]

For playing legacy games, I find any of the NG systems a grand waste of money, and I say that as an owner of a SAM system myself.  I love my SAM, but I'd find it lunacy to buy one to try and get my legacy Amiga fix with.

For games, a lot of the time you end up having to use UAE on that fancy PPC NG Amiga to run said game, and $3000 is a lot of money to spend for a niche system when a Windows box with WinUAE is pretty much a commodity.  

Of course, many older, legacy games and programs will run natively in OS4.  Many also will not, and you'll end up having to "emulate an old Amiga on your expensive NG Amiga".  I'd have a hard time spending much money on that, but YMMV.  That being said, legacy app support on OS4 via UAE is great, just a point and click affair.

Indeed, I get the impression that cpaek72 (OP) is under the impression that the X1000 will just natively play all the old Amiga games, it's important to point out that it does not and you will need to run them inside UAE emulation, same as running them on Windows (in fact, probably not as good as Win-UAE is much superior to E-UAE).

If AGA/ECS gaming is his main attraction, then X1000 is totally wrong, hence why I suggested getting an expanded A1200.

[takemehomegrandma]

I get the impression that cpaek72 (OP) is under the impression that the X1000 will just natively play all the old Amiga games, it's important to point out that it does not and you will need to run them inside UAE emulation

I suppose things like that can happen if it's referred to as being Amiga instead of the correct Amigaone.

[kamelito]

I suppose things like that can happen if it's referred to as being Amiga instead of the correct Amigaone.

Since PPC Amiga do have an 680x0 emulator and that audio can be redirected to AHI through a patch isn't PPC Amiga1 able to run games that are system friendly?

Kamelito