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[gertsy]

So it's hard and not justifiable for many, yourself included, but you just want to try it?
Find a friend with one or live with your choice.
It's human nature to want for something you can't obtain.
I remember having the same feelings when the Amiga came out. I waited almost 4 years before I got a vanilla 2000.

"You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes you just might find, you get what you didn't really want anyway".

[persia]

Doesn't 4.x use a UAE implementation to run classic apps just like AROS?  Endianess has nothing to do with an operating system.  

Power architecture was losing the race a more than a decade and a half ago, it was only a matter of time before the game consoles abandoned it as well.  Apple planned ahead, endianess was built on a few core routines and the rest of OS X was blind to it.  Endianess is a tempest in a teacup.

That's incorrect, though. CPUs are all different, that's why they went PPC in the first place (same with Apple). Apple went x86 after 10 years or whatever as PPC because they had no choice, they were unable to keep up with PCs' power and it was losing them marketability. Unlike AmigaOS, MacOS had the resources available to do a complete architecture change. We didn't, and still don't. They also were able to convince their fans that BSD with a shiny surface was the Next Big Thing because it was called MacOS X.

Different CPUs have different strengths and weaknesses. Look at Itanium several years ago with x86 - it was very fast in certain areas and completely useless everywhere else. Power chips from IBM are similar, but better - but you wouldn't put one in a console, for instance, because they're designed for servers.

The big reason for not going x86 was endianness. AmigaOS 4 uses AmigaOS 3 as a basis to allow backward compatibility. With x86 this couldn't happen, as AmigaOS 3 binaries would just crash because of the different endianness. To go x86 required a completely clean slate (such as what AROS had) which is why AROS relies on JanusUAE for its legacy compatibility, and that wasn't the objective, which was to update AmigaOS, not replace it.

This is why we use PPC and we can't go x86 - to do so means writing off the entire basis of what AmigaOS 4 is:  an update of AmigaOS.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Just one small point: as stated before in this thread price is not $3.3k, customers outside EU do not pay 20% VAT.

Product Link US:

http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071

Canadian it is 3.3k

[AmigaClassicRule]

Doesn't 4.x use a UAE implementation to run classic apps just like AROS?  Endianess has nothing to do with an operating system.  

Power architecture was losing the race a more than a decade and a half ago, it was only a matter of time before the game consoles abandoned it as well.  Apple planned ahead, endianess was built on a few core routines and the rest of OS X was blind to it.  Endianess is a tempest in a teacup.

I agree with you persia...I thought 4.x is not backward compatible at all and that it relies on UAE just AROS does. Am I confused?

[LiveForIt]

I agree with you persia...I thought 4.x is not backward compatible at all and that it relies on UAE just AROS does. Am I confused?

You should be confused because there are more then one way to run 680x0 program on AmigaOS4.1

http://www.amiga.hu/amigos/rachy/petunia.html

AmigaOS4.1 features some comparability whit legacy.
1St is Petunia, its integrated JIT compiler that translates 680x0 opcodes into PowerPC opcodes, Petunia does not emulate hardware all it does is enable system friendly programs to run in AmigaOS4.1.

Here is database of what software that works and what not.

http://www.intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php

Petunia is nice if you have library that is not AmigaOS4.1 native or some program that no one has the source code too, if the program work and is system friendly it will run many times faster whit petunia then EUAE, EUAE is bloat need a lot of CPU power, plus any program running under AmigaOS4.1 has has full access to native PowerPC libraries and other system resources, and PowerPC native programs can also use 680x0 libraries and devices.

2en method program can be run is new trow a program called RunInUAE, like name hints when the "RunInUAE" program is running any 680x0 program you start will be started in E-UAE instead. if "RunInUAE" is not started it will handled by Petunia.

You don't need RunInUAE, you can setup your own custom EUAE if you like.

So to summarize:

1st emulation type, enables any old programs to run as any other program, as first class citizen in the city of AmigaOS4.1.

2en emulation type, is useful when 1st emulation type does not hold, when a program or game depends on the hardware, maybe its boot sector type of game, or some thing.

[LiveForIt]

Canadian it is 3.3k

If you wonder if its worth it or not you should spend some time investigating what ever information you can.

Or maybe you should try a sam440 they are the lest expensive AmigaOS4.1 computer you can get, If you don't like you just sell it, for the same price.

[Thorham]

I don't think he was trying to be obnoxious or trolling.

No, I wasn't. Someone asked a question ('What is Amiga?') and I answered.

[Iggy]

What's wrong with calling...a Mac with Morph OS a Mac?...Really, I don't get it.

Since when has any MorphOS user done anything else?
We don't have the hangup you legacy users or the OS4 users have about names.
We're more interested in what our environment morphs into, what happens after.
Get it?
Of course my computer is a Mac.
It runs circles around my Amiga.

[spirantho]

I agree with you persia...I thought 4.x is not backward compatible at all and that it relies on UAE just AROS does. Am I confused?

I do wonder how much of this forum's hatred of AmigaOS 4 is based on misinformation (no offence intended, please don't take any!).

AmigaOS 4 has an excellent level of compatibility with OS3 apps and always has had. Some really badly written programs don't work, of course, as AmigaOS 4 is deliberately less tolerant of bad coding that just happens to work (stuff like writing to bad pointers), but I regularly run OS 3 programs on my OS4 machines with no problem at all - just as if they were OS 4 native.
The JIT 68K emulator, called Petunia, is incredibly fast and very compatible, but if you need to disable it for some reason it's easy to disable by blacklisting a program, so it runs using the normal interpreted emulator. You can, for instance, run PC-Task on an AmigaOS 4 machine. I've done that before.

AmigaOS 4 does also come bundled with RunInUAE which means right out of the box you can double click on an ADF and have the game come up (it even comes with the Kickstart ROMS legally supplied). If you run a 68K program with RunInUAE running, you can choose to run in UAE or in the AmigaOS 4 environment.

Sorry - that post sounds like an advert There is a heck of a lot of work gone into the backward compatibility, though, and they deserve praise. If they'd gone x86, we'd all be forced to use UAE for OS3 apps, and that can be a right pain, especially if you need to do it in a script...

Edit: Just as an example, when I wanted to add IPF image support to my Catweasel disk image writer, I didn't have access to the IPF library source. I just made an interface file so that AmigaOS 4 could use it natively, and my PPC AOS4 program could then use the 68K OS3 library just as if it were an OS4 library.

[Thorham]

Of course my computer is a Mac.
It runs circles around my Amiga.

And my peecee runs circles around my Amiga. Point?

[ElPolloDiabl]

I just checked the compatibility list. It isn't that many programs. 16 pages with some of them only partial. You will be switching back to E-uae. Which makes the system identical to AROS.

[eliyahu]

I just checked the compatibility list. It isn't that many programs. 16 pages with some of them only partial. You will be switching back to E-uae. Which makes the system identical to AROS.

heh. in truth i've been trying to get folks to help us update the list for a long time. there's tons missing. basically so long as the tool/library/whatever doesn't touch agnus or paula or lisa or any of the custom chips, chances are it will work fine. you can pop in a 68K library and it runs just like its native.

the experience is similar to MOS, if you've used it. UAE is only for hardware-banging games. everything else is taken care of under the covers. about 50% of the software i use daily is AOS4-only and the other half is from the 68K days. no UAE needed.

-- eliyahu

[spirantho]

I don't think they went through the entire aminet to make that list!
That list mostly says what apps do NOT work. not what does.

This is precisely the kind of misinformation I'm talking about, giving people a completely inaccurate view of what OS 4 is actually like.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

That is AWESOME.  I didn't realize OS4 was that compatible.  That's a lot of hard work, good job guys! :pint:

[AmigaClassicRule]

That is AWESOME.  I didn't realize OS4 was that compatible.  That's a lot of hard work, good job guys! :pint:

OK! I want to own SAM 440 not 460...just 440..and I am willing to cough up the dough to get it. The problem I have...where can I find it? I find no store that sells it and I want it to be affordable.

Any advice?

[eliyahu]

OK! I want to own SAM 440 not 460...just 440..and I am willing to cough up the dough to get it. The problem I have...where can I find it? I find no store that sells it and I want it to be affordable.

Any advice?

acube themselves use to have a few for sale, but these days i'd look on amibay and the AWN classifieds.

before you pull the trigger, though, if you have any 68K software you're worried about being compatible, ask here or on the other forums where NG users hang out. for example some things require a little massaging, so to speak. like creating custom screens for tools that are pre-RTG or using maestrix to get octamed soundstudio working, etc.

-- eliyahu