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[Niding]

i dont see why would anyone need an os4 system for the few games there is exclusively for it. almost everything ive heard of was either ported from or in few cases to other platform, and it will likely run better there. lets face it, buying os4 hardware is a form of charity. to be honest i dont see much reason to buy ppc hardware today, neither obscure nor popular, neither expensive nor cheap, neither old nor new, and therefore i cant seriously think even about morphos. still if i was forced to choose i wouldnt base it on a label, even if there actually was a proper label.

Reasons for AOS4 system;

-Prefered OS for the person using it. For some it might be all they actually need to  get by.
-Nostalgica.
-Enjoy tinkering with different OS's

Charity? I have bought games by OS4 developers that also released Wintel versions.
I actually enjoyed their games, so I wouldnt call it charity.

People spend xxxx dollars (or whatever currency) on hobbies like;

-Classic hardware
-Old cars
-stamps
etc etc etc

As long as its fun for a person, the practicality vs value ratio doesnt HAVE to "make sense".
Its a subjective quality.

[mbrantley]

wawrzon, I suppose no one really NEEDS a new AmigaOS computer if you get down to it. Except... I need one with every fiber of my Amigamaniac being. :-)

OK, want is the more proper word than need. I want it and have it, and I use it every day to do all sorts of fun things. I enjoy the operating system and appreciate that is has been updated and is being improved without losing its identity. I recognize it as a continuation of the same OS I loved from the Commodore days. I love that it can run a mix of old and new software. I don't play games very much at all -- never did even when I got my first Amiga computer in 1987. But there are new and old games. I spend a lot of my X1000 time using IRC clients, email and our growing list of Web browsers. (The Odyssey port from MorphOS is outstanding.) It's great using and seeing new original AmigaOS applications like Andy Broad's SketchBlock mature, and Lyle Hazelwood's Score is going to be a lot of fun. The Blender port can do a lot of stuff. But what made me jump onto the bandwagon for the newest AmigaOS versions is seeing Elwood's YouTube videos showing how well version 4.1 can run a lot of the great old Amiga creative applications -- specifically LightWave, ImageFX and TVPaint. His videos show these programs running very well on a Sam440ep @ only 667mhz! I have that same machine (times two) and also an X1000. Since then, I have also learned firsthand that I can also still use Photogenics, Wildfire, Imagine, VistaPro, Perfect Paint, Personal Paint, Milky Tracker, HD-Rec, Audio Evolution, etc. etc. etc. as well as mess about with handy new tools such as VideoClipper, ffmpeg, etc. Hollywood with Hollywood Designer is AWESOME.

So in short, there are lots of things to do with a fast, capable computer that can run AmigaOS in its current version. I haven't run out of ways to have fun with mine yet.... and it will get better as software development pushes forward.

Yes, it's expensive. No, you might not think it's worth it for you. That's OK. I see people spending money all the time on stuff I wouldn't buy.

[OlafS3]

wawrzon, I suppose no one really NEEDS a new AmigaOS computer if you get down to it. Except... I need one with every fiber of my Amigamaniac being. :-)

OK, want is the more proper word than need. I want it and have it, and I use it every day to do all sorts of fun things. I enjoy the operating system and appreciate that is has been updated and is being improved without losing its identity. I recognize it as a continuation of the same OS I loved from the Commodore days. I love that it can run a mix of old and new software. I don't play games very much at all -- never did even when I got my first Amiga computer in 1987. But there are new and old games. I spend a lot of my X1000 time using IRC clients, email and our growing list of Web browsers. (The Odyssey port from MorphOS is outstanding.) It's great using and seeing new original AmigaOS applications like Andy Broad's SketchBlock mature, and Lyle Hazelwood's Score is going to be a lot of fun. The Blender port can do a lot of stuff. But what made me jump onto the bandwagon for the newest AmigaOS versions is seeing Elwood's YouTube videos showing how well version 4.1 can run a lot of the great old Amiga creative applications -- specifically LightWave, ImageFX and TVPaint. His videos show these programs running very well on a Sam440ep @ only 667mhz! I have that same machine (times two) and also an X1000. Since then, I have also learned firsthand that I can also still use Photogenics, Wildfire, Imagine, VistaPro, Perfect Paint, Personal Paint, Milky Tracker, HD-Rec, Audio Evolution, etc. etc. etc. as well as mess about with handy new tools such as VideoClipper, ffmpeg, etc. Hollywood with Hollywood Designer is AWESOME.

So in short, there are lots of things to do with a fast, capable computer that can run AmigaOS in its current version. I haven't run out of ways to have fun with mine yet.... and it will get better as software development pushes forward.

Yes, it's expensive. No, you might not think it's worth it for you. That's OK. I see people spending money all the time on stuff I wouldn't buy.

How about Cinema4D, Monzoom Pro or Reflections?

http://www.aros-platform.de/html/raytracing.html

Most software you mention is 68k and also runs on Aros 68k (as example). No real reason to spend so much money. But I accept that there are different views (if logical or more emotional/nostalgic).

[mbrantley]

OlafS3, fair point and as I said there is no "need" to do any of this stuff. At this time when it comes to Amiga stuff, there is only doing what brings enjoyment.

I do have Cinema4D working very well on my X1000 and have a line on an old boxed copy with manual that will help me better learn how to use it. Fun stuff. I'll have to check out Monzoom Pro and Reflections ... no experience with those yet.

I have MorphOS and AROS installs here but prefer AmigaOS to them greatly. If I couldn't or didn't want to pay the price, I'm certain I could live with the alternatives or might go with emulation just for the classic software. But I do like the mix of new and old, and AmigaOS seems to be where that is happening -- at least it's where it all gels with me. I seriously am not trying to knock anybody here.

[danwood]

Alright, then assume they did not go bankrupt and they did move away from AGA to PPC and it is now called Amiga X1000 instead of say A5000 or A6000, etc. What is wrong with that? Why are you so bent on enforcing your definition on us? Say we come here and say hey I think X1000 is a real Amiga...that is my opinion, that is my perspective, that makes me happy and in your opinion I am a moron...will here is what I have to say...keep your opinion to yourself...two thinks come in effect:

1) You will be less stressful to yourself, body and your heart and you will live a healthier life.

2) You would not be targeted under attack or hated by people or people find you annoying.

By the way...what is wrong calling AROS an Amiga again?

Going very OT but Commodore were planning the AAA chipset and Hombre when they went under, also they were not moving to PPC but to a PA-RISC CPU PA-7150

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/hombre.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset

[wawrzon]

Reasons for AOS4 system;

-Prefered OS for the person using it. For some it might be all they actually need to  get by.
-Nostalgica.
-Enjoy tinkering with different OS's

Charity? I have bought games by OS4 developers that also released Wintel versions.
I actually enjoyed their games, so I wouldnt call it charity.

People spend xxxx dollars (or whatever currency) on hobbies like;

-Classic hardware
-Old cars
-stamps
etc etc etc

As long as its fun for a person, the practicality vs value ratio doesnt HAVE to "make sense".
Its a subjective quality.

no it doesnt need to make sense for anyone in private, but communicating it on a discussion forum one needs to align to some common sense, otherwise there is no need for any communication if one assumes to be a monade. personally ive spent my money on amiga as long as it was fun and useful to me, and i d still spend some limited amounts if it convinced me, still i dont get it why one would need to invest vast amounts into some amiga offshot that given the past experience is doomed to fail in every considerable aspect.

[persia]

Yes, common sense doesn't play into a lot of what we do for hobbies.  I spend thousands of dollars on Amateur Radio stuff when I could just use my iPhone to talk to people.  If someone has 1800 quid and they want to spend it on the x1000, who am I to say it's wrong?  

The problem is that the number of people who see 1800 quid as ok is extremely small and the community continues to shrink...

[ElPolloDiabl]

There were two subjects being covered:
What would Amiga be now? and Is it worth buying an X1000?

At $3000 it is too steep for me. Part of that high price is because we don't have 2nd hand market where you can buy old systems for $100.

[itix]

Yes, common sense doesn't play into a lot of what we do for hobbies.  I spend thousands of dollars on Amateur Radio stuff when I could just use my iPhone to talk to people.  If someone has 1800 quid and they want to spend it on the x1000, who am I to say it's wrong?  

I think that comparison makes no sense because Amiga hobbies are not expensive. You can make it expensive, i.e. destroy fully expanded Amiga 4000 every second month and go shopping for another.

[Niding]

For some reason it feels like we have discussed this before

Some people enjoy using AOS4 and Aeon/Amigakit is giving them ANOTHER option to run said OS.

Good for them.

[LiveForIt]

I think that comparison makes no sense because Amiga hobbies are not expensive. You can make it expensive, i.e. destroy fully expanded Amiga 4000 every second month and go shopping for another.

Well whit most active topic on Amiga.org for days is about who to go Linux, I don't see the problem here, it this not a Amiga/AmigaOS site?

Yes there more program application on Linux and windows and MacOS, as for MorphOS and AROS, they are different, people try them out if they like to..

I don't get way you think you have the right tell people what they should think or do, it looks so horribly despert to tell you what I think..

And as for X1000 cpu power, yes it does come handy when playing 720p or even 1080p video whit hardware accelerated video, and it also make the user experience better.

Oh yes you can do the same on Linux, Windows or MacOS, what ever but if you like AmigaOS, way not. If you don't, then don't buy it, its that simple.

[itix]

@LiveForIt

I never said so, I just said that Amiga hobby does not require big investments. You can make it expensive if you want to but it is not requirement.

[wawrzon]

@LiveForIt

I never said so, I just said that Amiga hobby does not require big investments. You can make it expensive if you want to but it is not requirement.

Actually amiga hobby in fact isnt that expensive, even 060 boards are within limits imho. Its usually os4 that is an expensive hobby by definition, beginning with amiga ppc accelerators that were already completely overpriced as new, apparently being a trend setter for those who claim the heritage.

[spirantho]

You can get a Sam440ep board for less than a 68060 accelerator, and a heck of a lot less than a CS-PPC (which is not primarily an OS4 board)...

Like any other hobby, Amiga can be expensive but only if you choose it to be. If you want to get by on a shoestring budget, you can do so - and you can do that with OS4 just as with OS3... in the same way as you can use a 1200 with an 030 and have a good OS3 experience, so you can have a Sam440 and have a good OS4 experience - and neither is really expensive.
However, if you want a PCI-equipped PPC/68060 A4000 you won't get much different in price from an X1000.

[kickstart]

However, if you want a PCI-equipped PPC/68060 A4000 you won't get much different in price from an X1000.

Those prices are due to speculators, you cant make a comparision between real amigas with this ppc machines running an amiga-like OS (sam, x1000..)

[mbrantley]

An "amiga-like OS"? Heh. There it is then. I recognize and accept that AmigaOS is AmigaOS in more than its name but fundamentally in what it is and how it works.