OS 4.1 Update 3 Released

[takemehomegrandma]

This is cool, but why do people need to be so negative?

It's not about positive/negative, but the fact that Hyperion now has released, to their paying customers(!), a piece of software that seems to be totally untested and probably not even finished developing in the first place. How they can do this is mind-boggling. They apparently are completely clueless. IMHO this puts the "X1000 booting OS4.1.3" thread in completely new light.

This must be the worst OS4 release *ever* (but what can you expect when you beg your paying customers to handle the OS development for you), it's obviously breaking the most fundamental and basic things for many users (like MUI and USB) that at least seemed to be working in OS4.1.2!

And this is how the Lead Developer comments this:

"Both IBrowse and YAM are 3rd party so I suggest you talk to the author(s) directly."
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=271#p3491

I mean, OMG! Can't believe I'm reading that! Like: "We ****ed up the OS so the 3rd party apps you have been using for a decade suddenly don't work anymore, but that's not our fault". I'm out of words, don't know what to say. I'm just amazed...

[ferrellsl]

Well "sorting it" was disabling USB 2.0 support on my machine, I'm also having some server MUI issues, most MUI apps are failing, had to revert to Update 2 MUI classes, another user having identical issues, so we're trying to get to the bottom of it.

Wow, only Hyperion could come up with a USB 2.0 "fix" that requires you to shut off your USB 2.0 hardware.  It's 2011 and and the rest of the world is already moving on to USB 3.0 and OS4 users are still waiting for USB 2.0 that just works.  Come on Hyperion, you guys can do better than this for f@ck sake......

When did USB 2.0 support become mainstream for the rest of the world?  Wasn't that around 1998?

[ferrellsl]

It's a bit puzzling why they have a beta tester program for the X1000, when they obviously don't believe in beta testing their stuff before releasing it to their customers. The number of posts from people having problem with OS4.1.3 struck me with surprise, as did the nature of the problems. Well, it seems like the people who gradually have been bringing Linux drivel into previous OS4.1.x releases, now have brought the world famous "Plug & Pray" concept as well. Wow, overwhelming...

I don't believe that there really is an X1000 beta test program.  Has a single beta tester even stood up on this site and admitted they received a board for testing?

I think the whole beta test program is just more smoke and mirrors to make us believe there's been progress. A publicity stunt if you will.  I realize they Hyperion and AEON would want to focus more of their resources on the X1000, but at the risk of alienating their base by releasing such a bug-ridden update 3?  OS4's lack of  apps and the lack of USB 2.0 support forced me to put my PegII into the closet over 2 years ago and it seems that nothing has changed.

So I've decided to sell my PegII (ODW) along with my licensed copies of OS4 and MorphOS.  If you live in south Texas near McAllen/Mission/Harlingen, send me a PM.  I'll let it all go for a decent price.

[HammerD]

It's not about positive/negative, but the fact that Hyperion now has released, to their paying customers(!), a piece of software that seems to be totally untested and probably not even finished developing in the first place. How they can do this is mind-boggling. They apparently are completely clueless. IMHO this puts the "X1000 booting OS4.1.3" thread in completely new light.

This must be the worst OS4 release *ever* (but what can you expect when you beg your paying customers to handle the OS development for you), it's obviously breaking the most fundamental and basic things for many users (like MUI and USB) that at least seemed to be working in OS4.1.2!

And this is how the Lead Developer comments this:

"Both IBrowse and YAM are 3rd party so I suggest you talk to the author(s) directly."
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=271#p3491

I mean, OMG! Can't believe I'm reading that! Like: "We ****ed up the OS so the 3rd party apps you have been using for a decade suddenly don't work anymore, but that's not our fault". I'm out of words, don't know what to say. I'm just amazed...

You're making alot of assumptions here based on a few very early initial reports.  Some of these issues have subsequently been solved by users, and are software issues based on what the user has changed in their system.

On a cleanly installed system (OS4.1 Update 1, then Update 2, then Update 3), most of these issues are not reproducible, which means something else is causing the issue, such as a old MUI class, old library version, broken sobjects, etc etc.

IBrowse works fine, FYI, if your system is installed properly.

So please hold back on your judgements until the dust settles and we can have a chance to analyze and assist users with their configurations and issues.  It's quite possible it is not a problem with the OS itself.

The official support forums are on the Hyperion server so the technical support for paying customers is there.

[Paul]

@ ferrels and takemehomegrandma

You guys are unbelievable! A couple guys run into some problems and you make it sound like everyone doing update 3 is trashing their installs and blowing up their hardware.

Tonight I plugged in my USB2 card and NZXT hub-multiplier, giving me a card reader and 3 USB2 case ports. I ran the update, rebooted and everything just worked. In fact, I had two USB sticks, an SD card and a camera all plugged in and showing up correctly at the samne time. The camera downloaded over 1200 pictures in less than a minute in Picture Tranfer Protocol to thumbnails.

This was while running and using the Timberwolf alpha from a while back, ImageFX, Abiword in Cygnix, Final Writer, AmigaAmp3 and Pagestream4. Obviously, both current and old stuff was working OK.


         IT JUST WORKED!!!

I have not yet found a program that didn't work for me. The only glitch was with the color of pop-up menus in Simplemail. It showed the wrong color. Big deal! Take it and run with it. Why don't you start a new thread all about how horrible update 3 is because one graphic element in an MUI based program was off a little?!?!?

Stop spreading FUD.

Paul

[klx300r]

I don't believe that there really is an X1000 beta test program.  Has a single beta tester even stood up on this site and admitted they received a board for testing?

I think the whole beta test program is just more smoke and mirrors to make us believe there's been progress. A publicity stunt if you will... .

I know it's just so baffling!!  With all the positive comments on all the OS4 threads here I really don't understand why X1000 & OS4.x supporters don't come on this site more often:rolleyes:

Ya it must be smoke & mirrors to try to make the trolls believe that progress is being made:lol::insane:

[klx300r]

@ Piru

are you ok mate it's not like you letting half an hour go by on a OS4.x thread without you so positively commenting on it:roflmao:

[redfox]

Downloaded and installed OS 4.1 Update 3.  Install was very straight forward.

Posting with OWB 3.31.  Will test the rest of my software tomorrow evening.

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redfox

[commodorejohn]

When did USB 2.0 support become mainstream for the rest of the world?  Wasn't that around 1998?

Hah, I wish. I've had 1.1-only machines as recent as 2004 (though that was a laptop.)

[ajlwalker]

And this is how the Lead Developer comments this:

"Both IBrowse and YAM are 3rd party so I suggest you talk to the author(s) directly."
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=271#p3491

I mean, OMG! Can't believe I'm reading that! Like: "We ****ed up the OS so the 3rd party apps you have been using for a decade suddenly don't work anymore, but that's not our fault". I'm out of words, don't know what to say. I'm just amazed...

To be fair Commdore used to do the exact same thing.  I think their term was the programmes were not "system legal" and leave it at that.

Patches would then be forthcoming or not.

[commodorejohn]

To be fair Commdore used to do the exact same thing.  I think their term was the programmes were not "system legal" and leave it at that.

Patches would then be forthcoming or not.

There's a lot to be said for that policy, actually - if you've ever read about what an amazing amount of cruft Windows has built up over the years trying to maintain compatibility with software that doesn't quite stick to the standard, you can see the reasoning there. Inconvenient, to be sure, but on the other hand it goes a long way towards keeping the OS lean and mean.

(However, I have no idea to what extent AOS4 reflects that or not.)

[itix]

On a cleanly installed system (OS4.1 Update 1, then Update 2, then Update 3)

How do you install system "not cleanly"?

[takemehomegrandma]

I don't believe that there really is an X1000 beta test program.

I do, but it's not really about beta testing, but a pre-payment scheme to finance R&D and production of the X1000 board, since I very much doubt any bank would go anywhere near this. High stake gambling.

[danwood]

How do you install system "not cleanly"?

A "clean install" usually means a stock install with no third party tools.  So I'm wiping out my system and installing fresh installs this week.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ ferrels and takemehomegrandma

You guys are unbelievable! A couple guys run into some problems and you make it sound like everyone doing update 3 is trashing their installs and blowing up their hardware.

Not everyone, but certainly not "a couple of guys" either! If you browse the forums you'll be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of problems, and perhaps even more so by *the nature* of the problems. And this only in the first day after release. They can't possibly have done even the most rudimentary beta testing on this one.

I think it was said that this would mainly be a bugfix release, and frankly, there aren't that many *new* features in there, this was meant to clean up the mess form OS4.1.2. But not only did they manage to not get rid of all the old bugs, but also to introduce a whole generation of new ones!

With this kind of project management, the X1000 isn't heading for mass production -- it's mess production.

And when the lead developer starts blaming third party application developers for some of the most common apps suddenly not working anymore, then you understand the level of professionalism behind this mess. This is a kind of debacle that would lead to people getting fired -- had anyone been employed as professionals that is. But no, this is more like a roadshow circus on a hobby basis; "Wanna try out being a clown? Come join us! The result doesn't really matter, only that we have fun in the process."

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OK, so when will they squeeze out OS4.1.3.1 to correct this?

Just two more weeks?

:rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

A "clean install" usually means a stock install with no third party tools.  So I'm wiping out my system and installing fresh installs this week.

If that would have been a requirement, they should have released it as an ISO instead. Wiping you HDD clean, installing OS4.1.0, OS4.1.1 on top of that, OS4.1.2 on top of that, just to be able to install OS4.1.3 on top of that is just hilarious!

ssolie wrote:

The update will be distributed as a downloadable archive only. There is no ISO option.

That's a shame. I've been waiting for update 3 to come out before I setup my Sam but I was looking forward to the simplicity of doing a clean install from 1 CD instead of having to install and then update.

You double click the Update 3 install icon and hit next a few times. I think you can handle it. :p

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Since the requirements *was not* a "clean system", but very much the opposite (given their choosen update method), they should at least have made the installer check for problematic SW or settings during the installation process. If some old MUI class doesn't play well with the new MUI engine, it should have been made harmless by the installer. And so on. That's what beta testing is about.

But they obviously never tested it, and never developed it all the way. Which OTOH fits their usual pattern, so nobody could really be surprised...