AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3

[Karlos]

Or is it just that KPrintF() wont return until the very last byte is transmitted to the serial port?

I would suspect that's quite likely. If it used any sort of asynchronous operation that depended on a background worker task pushing out messages from a queue it would be next to useless if any crash caused a lockup as you'd never know with any certainty that you'd got the last few messages and hence what actually caused it.

I can't think of anything more useless than lobbing a bunch of printf's to the serial port for debugging. That's bush league stuff. The processor has a JTAG interface for that kind of thing.

Yeah but let's be realistic, most beta-testers aren't going to have access to JTAG-based debugging tools, whereas most people can at least shove a serial line into something and capture the output.

[deniil]

This thread is a lot worse than that one at AW.net.. ;-)

Anyway. Up to half the boot delay seems to be due to various stages of boot menus that waited for input before continuing on default. The OS4 selection was obvious with a progress bar shrinking over 10-15 seconds before it continued.

I don't believe saying that a debug kernel would slow things down (apart from serial debugging), and be compiled without optimization. Using different optimization modes for debug and non-debug is dangerous and should never be done!

However, to reduce the FUD I think someone should take an hour and configure an X1000 with optimal boot speeds:
1. Set the serial speed to 1Mbit (I'm sure it supports it, otherwise at least 115k2.)
2. Remove all boot selection timeouts or reduce them to something minimal, or do a manual selection immediately to speed it up.
3. Comment out all modules and libraries not needed for the machine, such as 3dfx, SIL, SCSI and whatever other kickstart modules.
4. Put Run >NIL: on the AddNetInterfaces in s-s.

Now make a new video and amaze us all :-D

[commodorejohn]

Now tell me again how that is at all indicative of the final non-debug speed of the system, please!

See, it's entirely possible there's a good excuse for this - but it would really help if anything in the video or its comments stated the conditions that would cause it to take that long. "Debug build" by itself isn't sufficient, I've run lots of debug builds that are nearly as fast as the final release.

YOU HAVE NEVER OWNED AN NG SYSTEM NOR CAN AFFORD AN NG SYSTEM SO STFU ABOUT NG IN GENERAL.

So, what, now you have to have enough spare income to be able to drop $2300 on a system that underperforms a $500 used Mac just to be allowed to comment on NG Amiga projects? No thanks. I can learn more than enough to draw some basic conclusions by looking at information that's freely available online.

[raddude9]

Great vid AmigaKit and A-eon thanks for showing us some progress.

PS: cant be bothered with any one else, I realised in the Timberwolf progress thread which was derailed due to the infighting it best to just not feed the trolls and let them just get on with it, just for the record I'm a fan of all camps any one who has a interest in Amiga or Amiga'like system is ok with me (expect for when its a PC just happen to have more intrest in OS4 than morphos.

Thanks AmigaNG, my thoughts exactly.

[Tomas]

42 seconds not quick enough for you? Damn quick compared to my AMD 4800X2 with Vista.

But slow as hell compared to my low end sam 440ep 533mhhz...
The loading of kickstart on my os4.1 system takes less than half the time of x1000. A warm reboot is completed within 7-9 seconds.

But either way this is a beta, so it will hopefully be fixed by the time it is really released.

[haywirepc]

If you don't want open critiscism, don't post videos like this its that simple. My windows and linux boxes  both boot faster than that, so I'm pretty sure morphos boots faster than that too.
 
Booting speed is not something I usually care about, but considering how much this thing will be crashing, I think fast boot speed is probably a good feature to work on.
 
:roflmao:

[Franko]

No I just cant stand your lies and bull****. Please tell us what your most modern computer  and os is?? What is it again Tiger on an imac?

YOU HAVE NEVER OWNED AN NG SYSTEM NOR CAN AFFORD AN NG SYSTEM SO STFU ABOUT NG IN GENERAL.

And DO NOT speak for the amiga community, you are a poor representative.

You don't half live in a fantasy world full of BS don't you... :rolleyes:

As usual WRONG on everything you just posted yet again... :roflmao:

Sonny boy I could buy and sell you and your kind with the small change in me pockets but I wouldn't waste my money of faulty, obsolete and insignificant cr@p like you...

Show's you how dumb you really are I've already posted here that I speak for myself and no-one else, yet you rattle your gums and tell me not to speak for the Amiga community, you really are the dumbest SOB I've ever came across... :lol:

Now toddle off and find someone who actually cares about what you say or just simply toddle off...

[danwood]

Update 3 for OS 4.1 is out now:

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/

http://i.imgur.com/Ti23B.png

[Tripitaka]

but considering how much this thing will be crashing

.....and you know this how?

Ah, of course, you don't actually know this at all. You are presuming this to be the case therefore leading me to believe that you would criticize no matter what the video showed.

So tell me, what have you done for the Amiga lately? Have you been developing an alternative to Hyperions hardware? Are you working on Aros or MorphOS? Did you or are you writing Natami drivers? Please share with us, you obviously know more than the rest of us.

[zylesea]

The next Amiga (or amigalike) system that I'll buy got to be able to play a fullhd movie on my TV being connected with a HDMI cable and from I've read the X1000 will be able to do that. I know that my PowerMAC never will.

You are just wrong. Today a PowerMac G4 already replays 720p vids easily (my 1.5 GHz Mac mini is pretty loaded with 720p, but actually does handle it nicely) . You want hdmi? Easy, get a hdmi/dvi cable and be done (hdmi is backward is compatible dvi).
The G5 does easily replay full hd, it has been tested already by Fab.

You see, your demand is fully covered by the rusty old el cheapo Apple gear with MorphOS. Part of your demand since about two years meanwhile (720p hdmi). But of course you may continue to wait for the holy grail....

[HotRod]

You are just wrong. Today a PowerMac G4 already replays 720p vids easily (my 1.5 GHz Mac mini is pretty loaded with 720p, but actually does handle it nicely) . You want hdmi? Easy, get a hdmi/dvi cable and be done (hdmi is backward is compatible dvi).
The G5 does easily replay full hd, it has been tested already by Fab.

You see, your demand is fully covered by the rusty old el cheapo Apple gear with MorphOS. Part of your demand since about two years meanwhile (720p hdmi). But of course you may continue to wait for the holy grail....

Without audio, right? I want audio too. I got a powermac and can even watch fullhd in macos x. The holy grail? No the better amiga option. The holy grail would be Commodore not making those misstakes aand still making the best computer in the world. Now it is about using whatever fits you best. I wouldn't mind buying MOS for the powermac to try it out but it isn't available yet. But there is nothing wrong in thinking that something new for MOS would be good as well.

[Karlos]

Without audio, right? I want audio too. I got a powermac and can even watch fullhd in macos x.

MacOSX != MorphOS

I believe it's fair to say the latter makes more of the available processing power of your typical G4 Mac than the former ever did.

[HotRod]

MacOSX != MorphOS

I believe it's fair to say the latter makes more of the available processing power of your typical G4 Mac than the former ever did.

Excuse me but what the heck has it got to do with what I wrote? I wrote that I can watch fullhd in macos x and that was it. Not that it can't be done in MOS, I already knows it can. How ... whay are you telling me this? HDMI.... video and audio through a HDMI cable.

[zylesea]

Without audio, right? I want audio too.

Maybe I get mad, but while I watch movies on my Mac mini I not only hear voices, but also music. Incredible!!! How can that be since there is no hdmi port?
But I have an idea: Theres is this pretty funny 3.5mm jack on the back of my mac mini. I had this übercrazy idea to take a few copper cables I connect this jack with my hifi amplifier. Wow - what an effect: Music, voices. Lord of the rings actualy is no silent movie as I thought all the years before!!

[Duce]

Update 3 for OS 4.1 is out now:

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/

http://i.imgur.com/Ti23B.png

Completely flat lined my SAM 440ep :/

Guess I'll do a full reinstall from u1, then u2 and then u3 and see if it helps.

The splash screen it is locked up at is quite pretty, however.  :confused:

[Karlos]

Excuse me but what the heck has it got to do with what I wrote?

Sorry, misread your post as "I got a powermac and cant even watch fullhd in macos x"...