Is Hyperion the new Amiga Inc.?

[the_leander]

Ah, here we come to the real reason some people are bitching about Hyperion.

You keep telling yourself that sunbeam.

[Franko]

Ah, here we come to the real reason some people are bitching about Hyperion.

In my case that's not true, I don't like or trust Hyperion for the simple fact that after buying OS4.0 they left OS4.0 users in the lurch after just one update and now they want folk like me to buy OS4.1 or OS4.2... fat chance...

DOpus has nothing to do with it as I don't use it but jorkanys post just goes to prove they are just another company who can't be trusted when it comes to the Amiga...

[Hattig]

You keep telling yourself that sunbeam.

Whatever. So what are your points that you're alluding to? Or just winding people up for a laugh?

[the_leander]

Whatever. So what are your points that you're alluding to? Or just winding people up for a laugh?

I've already given you a few of them and even provided a specific example which Jorkany was kind enough to provide citation for.

Your response to that was to ignore everything said and turn to quote mining.

Like I said in regard to your response to Kesa: Typical.

[commodorejohn]

Ah, here we come to the real reason some people are bitching about Hyperion.

Even if that were true for everybody (it's certainly not for me, as I have no interest in MorphOS or PPC in general,) how is that relevant? Whether or not leander or anybody else has ulterior motives or slightly more personal grudges, that doesn't make any of Hyperion's actions discussed in this thread at all okay. Threatening legal action against competitors on obviously groundless claims and constantly bad-mouthing them on the same baseless allegations, toying with a third-party developer to stall out the competition, etc. are reprehensible regardless of whether the people pointing them out are doing so out of a personal vendetta, and not all of us here are willing to smile and nod and pretend otherwise just because they're one of the few remaining Amiga companies.

[Iggy]

Even if that were true for everybody (it's certainly not for me, as I have no interest in MorphOS or PPC in general,) how is that relevant? Whether or not leander or anybody else has ulterior motives or slightly more personal grudges, that doesn't make any of Hyperion's actions discussed in this thread at all okay. Threatening legal action against competitors on obviously groundless claims and constantly bad-mouthing them on the same baseless allegations, toying with a third-party developer to stall out the competition, etc. are reprehensible regardless of whether the people pointing them out are doing so out of a personal vendetta, and not all of us here are willing to smile and nod and pretend otherwise just because they're one of the few remaining Amiga companies.

If Hyperion was serious, they'd be making more threatening posts related  to MorphOS as it is much more closely related to their product than AROS.
And as AROS is a reverse engineered work alike product, Hyperion's comments in regard to the legality of AROS are a without merit.
While these posts have been almost uniformly negative toward Hyperion, they fail to make one point.
Hyperion promised a product and delivered on that promise. Their hardware partner (Acube) delivers what they announce.
Yes, they've been litigious, but they have advanced AmigaOS to a new level. I don't use it, but AOS4 is a fairly impressive product.

[Kesa]

oh ok I'll bite...... So what does having no avatar have anything to do with the price of fish?

I guess that makes as much sense as your comment.....:laughing:

errmm...  i'm not really sure. OK i admit i probably could have come up with a better retort. I will try harder in the future

[commodorejohn]

If Hyperion was serious, they'd be making more threatening posts related  to MorphOS as it is much more closely related to their product than AROS.
And as AROS is a reverse engineered work alike product, Hyperion's comments in regard to the legality of AROS are a without merit.
While these posts have been almost uniformly negative toward Hyperion, they fail to make one point.
Hyperion promised a product and delivered on that promise. Their hardware partner (Acube) delivers what they announce.
Yes, they've been litigious, but they have advanced AmigaOS to a new level. I don't use it, but AOS4 is a fairly impressive product.

So, what, that makes it okay? Are we to believe that their legal threats and accusations of code theft were all in good fun, then? Because they've "advanced AmigaOS to a new level," we're just supposed to smile and chuckle and go "aww, that's our Hyperion! What won't those rascals get up to?" It might make them a business with a better product track record than, say, CUSA, but it doesn't even remotely excuse their behavior.

This is another fine example of the "we'll put up with anything as long as we don't have to see the Amiga name die off entirely" mentality shared by an alarming number of people in this community. Is having a commercial maintainer for AOS4 so precious as to be a "get out of misbehavior free" card? Really?

[Fats]

Yes, they've been litigious

Could anybody make a list of a the litigations in Amiga history and count how many each of the companies have started. I think you would be amazed.

The only thing I see is some quote from Ben Hermans in a heated discussion with BB & co. and a declaration during a trial. Don't know if people here read groklaw but during declaratory phase (if that is the right name) you are forced to declare all things that you possibly want to bring forward during the procedure. You are not allowed to bring new things on the table during the rest of the trial. So common practice is to put everything on paper in some conditional way (probably ilegal) at the start even if still need to investigate further if it really is the case.

greets,
Staf.

[Hattig]

In my case that's not true, I don't like or trust Hyperion for the simple fact that after buying OS4.0 they left OS4.0 users in the lurch after just one update and now they want folk like me to buy OS4.1 or OS4.2... fat chance...

At least there was one update I guess. It's taken so long I actually don't remember the timeframe for OS4 releases!

Um, After 30 months of development, April 2004 saw the OS4 developer release. 32 months later in December 2006, OS 4.0 final arrived (a ridiculous long time from when Hyperion started the port from the 3.1 sources - 5 years!), then September 2008 for 4.1. Nearly two years if you go from final version to final version - comparable to a Mac OS X release cycle - moreso if you count the 'developer edition' as being '4.0 final but we can't call it that because of legal wranglings'.

How I see it is that Hyperion took a very long time to get on track with OS4 development. Certainly it isn't a money spinner for them - how many people bought it in the end - a thousand? Maybe two thousand! Two releases in ten years can't have been bringing in the dough, and I remember that they said they had to take on other paying contracts when they could to make ends meet, delaying the OS development. I presume that 4.2 will be coming out later this year - three years after the previous version which is a perfectly adequate time frame for a paid OS update - so they might make another fifty grand or so from sales. Not a lot is it? Certainly not for the stress that it has brought into their lives.

[Hattig]

Threatening legal action against competitors on obviously groundless claims

Is this the Commodore USA thing? I think we already worked out that was because they were going to use the Amiga name with AROS, and Amiga Inc. couldn't license the Amiga name to Commodore USA for that particular use because of the terms of the license with Hyperion. Or the 2005 quote about Aros, which someone else in this thread earlier said wasn't something they were worrying about any longer, and as common sense dictates isn't an issue because they haven't been going after AROS itself, nor the iMica or Ares One - not that we know of anyway.

Did Hyperion ever state anywhere that they were going after Commodore USA? Or that they were just going to take some action about the situation?

The situation with some of the non-payment for licenses is a different thing altogether, that isn't good behaviour if it is true. Then again private business contracts often pan out this way - still not saying it's good please note - but the details stay private instead of getting aired in public.

[number6]

32 months later in December 2006, OS 4.0 final arrived.

Actually there was a "july update" from 2007, which incorporated with the December 2006 release constituted the complete "final". (for 4.0)

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[number6]

Could anybody make a list of a the litigations in Amiga history and count how many each of the companies have started. I think you would be amazed.

Indeed. Many filings and judgments are not publically known either. It's abominable.

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[Hattig]

Actually there was a "july update" from 2007, which incorporated with the December 2006 release constituted the complete "final". (for 4.0)

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Cheers. I considered that, but it appeared the final final release was December - which makes it worse in two ways - even longer to develop it, and a shorter time to 4.1 which was also paid. I'm not being easy on Hyperion here! :-)

[amigadave]

so, what, that makes it okay? are we to believe that their legal threats and accusations of code theft were all in good fun, then? Because they've "advanced amigaos to a new level," we're just supposed to smile and chuckle and go "aww, that's our hyperion! What won't those rascals get up to?" it might make them a business with a better product track record than, say, cusa, but it doesn't even remotely excuse their behavior.

This is another fine example of the "we'll put up with anything as long as we don't have to see the amiga name die off entirely" mentality shared by an alarming number of people in this community. Is having a commercial maintainer for aos4 so precious as to be a "get out of misbehavior free" card? really?

+1,000

[Hattig]

I've already given you a few of them and even provided a specific example which Jorkany was kind enough to provide citation for.

Your response to that was to ignore everything said and turn to quote mining.

Like I said in regard to your response to Kesa: Typical.

I pointed out to Kesa that attacking the person - an ad hominen attack - is not a good way to win an argument. Attack the argument itself - that's the way to go.

Therefore I bow down to your extremely subtle referential sarcasm in writing "As for Hattig, well that figures." out of nowhere.