Is Hyperion the new Amiga Inc.?

[itix]

Actually I meant on the number of developers involved.

Oh.

"OTOH, it should be clear that after working for over 15 months with a team of around 30 developers, we already have a nice wishlist for OS 4.1."

ANN comment in 2003.

I could not find reference for number of Amiga developers at Commodore but Workbench about window should be good source: http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html

[Iggy]

Wow, I'm really glad I don't have to depend on any the entities mentioned in this thread for my hardware or software.
It really does seem like anything new carrying the Amiga name is cursed.

[klx300r]

Wow, I'm really glad I don't have to depend on any the entities mentioned in this thread for my hardware or software.
It really does seem like anything new carrying the Amiga name is cursed.

well ACube has been a blessing as their hardware is top quality (unlike the first A1's) and their support is amazing:)

[itix]

well ACube has been a blessing as their hardware is top quality (unlike the first A1's) and their support is amazing:)

While I am ignorant to their hardware they have always acted professionally. No bullshit, no vague promises, just the hardware and that is it.

[Fairdinkem]

Wow the slandering of Hyperion by so called self professed "know it alls" is astonishing.

[warpdesign]

It was posted in court documents so it is real Mr. Evert quote (his Sep 25 2005 reply to Bill McEwen of Amiga Inc). While it may suggest some strain in some relations (irrelevant) it does quite explicitly point out that Hyperion considers AROS illegal.

I don't think they do, but they want to make it appear it is... But you're right anyway: nice way to gather some spirit stuff

[Hattig]

I have been in contact with Evert after this about AROS. I can't provide details but I am not worried about legality of AROS.

The case is different as Amiga Inc. has agreed to not compete with AmigaOS 4 under the Amiga name and Hyperion considers the use of AROS together with a the Amiga name as competition.

/end thread, except for the stirrers.

[Hattig]

I wouldnt like to trash competing product but when I read TonyW's explanation of their release cycle I could only think they are screwed. With this kind of model they never get properly working release out.

Judging by Amigans.net comment it already seems their 4.1 for SAM460 is different patch level than 4.1 for SAM440. On coming 4.1 release for PowerUp appears to have different patch level than others. You can not work with a release model like that. It is not only laborous but bug reports are completely useless if every platform have different version of components.

Yeah, it sounds like they haven't heard of branching for release from that message. Although more likely the message is dumbed down.

But Apple release new computers with custom patched versions of the current OS on them. It's just that they provide smaller updates every few months, and at the next update it's all merged in. Drivers, mainly, are the difference I guess.

[Hattig]

Oh.

"OTOH, it should be clear that after working for over 15 months with a team of around 30 developers, we already have a nice wishlist for OS 4.1."

ANN comment in 2003.

I could not find reference for number of Amiga developers at Commodore but Workbench about window should be good source: http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html

I think there's a massive difference between full time directly employed developers, and how AmigaOS has been developed in the past ten years. 30 developers could mean 2 full time developers, a few people doing their own projects that happen to also be in the OS, some people doing a few weekends on small components, etc.

[Hattig]

I don't think they do, but they want to make it appear it is... But you're right anyway: nice way to gather some spirit stuff

No, I think it is some trolling stirrers that like to bring up things from 2005 and say that they're how Hyperion currently considers something.

The fact is that Aros is being sold on the iMica and the AresOne, and nothing has been said about the legality there. Then again, they're not called the "Commodore Amiga with Workbench 5.0" are they?

[Kesa]

Wow the slandering of Hyperion by so called self professed "know it alls" is astonishing.

This coming from someone who doesn't even have an avatar?

[Hattig]

This coming from someone who doesn't even have an avatar?

What does that have to do with anything? Stupid ad-hominen attack.

Mods, let's close this thread, it serves no purpose apart from some people dredging up vague things from history (and claiming them as absolute proof of whatever their viewpoint is) and effectively making stuff up.

[Kesa]

What does that have to do with anything? Stupid ad-hominen attack.

Mods, let's close this thread, it serves no purpose apart from some people dredging up vague things from history (and claiming them as absolute proof of whatever their viewpoint is) and effectively making stuff up.

He is a beginner on A.org and calling established users on here as "know it alls" was rude and arrogant therefore deserved an insult in return.

"Stupid ad-hominen attack" - Huh?

Why close the thread? People are entitled to their opinion and none of it is hostile. Maybe we should close this thread because not everyone agrees with you?

[Hattig]

He is a beginner on A.org and calling established users on here as "know it alls" was rude and arrogant therefore deserved an insult in return.

"Stupid ad-hominen attack" - Huh?

Why close the thread? People are entitled to their opinion and none of it is hostile. Maybe we should close this thread because not everyone agrees with you?

You attacked the person (for not having an avatar), not the argument.

How long does someone have to be a member on this site before they can post their opinion then? Let's see - he joined ONE MONTH after you... seems quite a fine distinction to make - in my opinion.

I'm saying that some opinions in this thread are actually getting close to slander, and it is also an opportunity for the same old people to diss Hyperion. I don't need to name names.

[Kesa]

You attacked the person (for not having an avatar), not the argument.

How long does someone have to be a member on this site before they can post their opinion then? Let's see - he joined ONE MONTH after you... seems quite a fine distinction to make - in my opinion.

I'm saying that some opinions in this thread are actually getting close to slander, and it is also an opportunity for the same old people to diss Hyperion. I don't need to name names.

I don't care about avatars but the point i was trying to make was a new member arrogantly calling members 'self confessed know it alls' whos voices are influential on a.org probably isn't a good idea for future relations. Remember first impressions last. I don't think older members have the right to bully new members but i believe some members opinions count for more than others (except for Karlos) and new members should know their place.

[the_leander]

I don't care about avatars but the point i was trying to make was a new member arrogantly calling members 'self confessed know it alls' whos voices are influential on a.org probably isn't a good idea for future relations. Remember first impressions last. I don't think older members have the right to bully new members but i believe some members opinions count for more than others (except for Karlos) and new members should know their place.

Your point is valid even if your initial post wasn't that hot. As for Hattig, well that figures. As for slanderous comments in this thread, don't think so. Hyperion has been a blight from the get go and deserve everything they get.

If something truly is slanderous, I'm sure Hermans would be only too pleased at seeing another pay cheque this decade via litigation over it.

As far as developer numbers go, I wouldn't trust any numbers given out unless they came with specifics as to the sorts of hours put in, certainly over the years there have been a number public resignations over issues such as pay.