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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #134 on: February 06, 2011, 03:49:33 PM »
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #135 on: February 06, 2011, 04:13:50 PM »
@Barry, Leo & CUSA company

Well, I have no problem with this C64x, I may even consider buying it!

However, calling this Linux distribution as "Workbench 5" is another matter, because that is somewhat misleading in my opinion :-/ If they call it "Commodore OS" or something else and we are just fine.

But what about this Amiga line thing... Putting a case around a PC that is not running any of these next generation Amiganoid OSes (OS4/MOS/AROS) and then calling the whole shebang for an Amiga, does not taste good at all in my mouth... :(

So anyway, it's good that they are considering naming WB5 to something else :) Guess, we've to wait and see what's comes out of all this...

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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #136 on: February 06, 2011, 04:30:25 PM »
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They have a legal right to use it as they see fit. They hold a license and despite threats, there has been no legal action by Hyperion.
As more than a few of us have been pointing out since the start of this whole affair, our objections aren't to the legality of the thing. I haven't given a crap about who owns the Amiga name since I first got into the Amiga; what I care about is how I see it being applied. It might be legal for C-USA to call a PC in a fancy case an "Amiga," but that doesn't make people's objections that it has nothing to do with the Amiga any less worthy of consideration.

And given that C-USA is using names closer to the actual original Amiga than any "next-gen" company so far ("1000x" and so on, which they haven't even updated on their site from just plain "1000," where other companies have at least done stuff like "AmigaOne,") it'd be nice to see even some kind of acknowledgement for that.

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This is his passion, this has capture his interest and he can throw himself into it with out the worry of losing everything.  His pockets run that deep as his connections run extremely deep world wide.   Barry is a different animal then what we have seen since the days of Jack Tramiel.
This is interesting to hear, but if he's really all that and a bag of chips, I wish he'd put his weight behind something more original. There's still ground to be broken and niches to be carved out in the computer industry, and if Barry is really as good a businessman as some are making him out to be, he could probably do as well or better with a new product instead of a gussied-up old one. It's an interesting comparison to Tramiel, because he wasn't one to just sit on his laurels and copy the competition's homework. Hell, he was already up and gone by the time Commodore released its first PC compatible. Would that Barry took more of a lesson from that.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #137 on: February 06, 2011, 04:57:27 PM »
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As more than a few of us have been pointing out since the start of this whole affair, our objections aren't to the legality of the thing. I haven't given a crap about who owns the Amiga name since I first got into the Amiga; what I care about is how I see it being applied. It might be legal for C-USA to call a PC in a fancy case an "Amiga," but that doesn't make people's objections that it has nothing to do with the Amiga any less worthy of consideration.

And given that C-USA is using names closer to the actual original Amiga than any "next-gen" company so far ("1000x" and so on, which they haven't even updated on their site from just plain "1000," where other companies have at least done stuff like "AmigaOne,") it'd be nice to see even some kind of acknowledgement for that.


This is interesting to hear, but if he's really all that and a bag of chips, I wish he'd put his weight behind something more original. There's still ground to be broken and niches to be carved out in the computer industry, and if Barry is really as good a businessman as some are making him out to be, he could probably do as well or better with a new product instead of a gussied-up old one. It's an interesting comparison to Tramiel, because he wasn't one to just sit on his laurels and copy the competition's homework. Hell, he was already up and gone by the time Commodore released its first PC compatible. Would that Barry took more of a lesson from that.


I think objections have been noted, your opinion has been considered. Are you seriously considering the opinions of others who are interested in this? Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what, nothing since 1994 really has a direct link to Amiga anyway.

Something truly totally original has no market. And very little chance to be sold for any kind of a reasonable price.  That is were Natami and all the others are going, there is no bussiness sense in that. Where there is possibility is in starting something that has potential and building on that. And that is what Barry Altman seems to want to do.

Seriously, those of you with moral, ethical, whatever obejections to this need to get over it. It doesn't appeal to you fine, don't buy it. It is legal, it is going forward, and there are people interest in it. We don't care if it is a real resurrection of the "amiga" whatever you consider that to be.

Continuing to harp on this stupid "it's not an amiga" crap is ringing so hollow lately.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #138 on: February 06, 2011, 05:01:47 PM »
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I think objections have been noted, your opinion has been considered. Are you seriously considering the opinions of others who are interested in this? Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what, nothing since 1994 really has a direct link to Amiga anyway.

Something truly totally original has no market. And very little chance to be sold for any kind of a reasonable price.  That is were Natami and all the others are going, there is no bussiness sense in that. Where there is possibility is in starting something that has potential and building on that. And that is what Barry Altman seems to want to do.

Seriously, those of you with moral, ethical, whatever obejections to this need to get over it. It doesn't appeal to you fine, don't buy it. It is legal, it is going forward, and there are people interest in it. We don't care if it is a real resurrection of the "amiga" whatever you consider that to be.

Continuing to harp on this stupid "it's not an amiga" crap is ringing so hollow lately.


Your attitude stinks.  I look forward to seeing this effort fold and sink without a trace.

I can't see how a man can't be touted as a savvy businessman when he seems intent on alienating a portion of his potential customers.

I think that says it all really.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #139 on: February 06, 2011, 05:04:45 PM »
Something truly original has no market? Before tablets came out, they were totally original and now are a booming business.
 
There always is something original. Too bad nothing using the Commodore or Amiga names has been since C= went under.
 

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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #140 on: February 06, 2011, 05:08:41 PM »
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I think objections have been noted, your opinion has been considered. Are you seriously considering the opinions of others who are interested in this? Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what, nothing since 1994 really has a direct link to Amiga anyway.

Something truly totally original has no market. And very little chance to be sold for any kind of a reasonable price.  That is were Natami and all the others are going, there is no bussiness sense in that. Where there is possibility is in starting something that has potential and building on that. And that is what Barry Altman seems to want to do.

Seriously, those of you with moral, ethical, whatever obejections to this need to get over it. It doesn't appeal to you fine, don't buy it. It is legal, it is going forward, and there are people interest in it. We don't care if it is a real resurrection of the "amiga" whatever you consider that to be.

Continuing to harp on this stupid "it's not an amiga" crap is ringing so hollow lately.


Why are you telling folk to "get over it" folk are entitled to voice their views and opinions just like you do.

Who are this "We" you speak of, have you been nominated their spokesman ?

Again your comment "Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what," why is it ok for you to make such comments but you insist on telling folk that there opinions don't count... blah, blah, blah...

Your continuing to harp on about other folks comments is also ringing very hollow, I think you can only ever see one side of an argument and it always seems to be yours... :)
 

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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #141 on: February 06, 2011, 05:10:13 PM »
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Something truly original has no market? Before tablets came out, they were totally original and now are a booming business.
 
There always is something original. Too bad nothing using the Commodore or Amiga names has been since C= went under.


Tablets are just a computer with onscreen keyboard and touchscreen pointing deveice. Original, but not totally original, and not my point.

Releasing a totally new computer platform it very expensive, and difficult and likely to fail. Natami and the others have the deck stacked against them. Not to say that they will fail, but if the a5000, access stuff, boXer and others are any indication...
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #142 on: February 06, 2011, 05:10:37 PM »
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Why are you telling folk to "get over it" folk are entitled to voice their views and opinions just like you do.

Who are this "We" you speak of, have you been nominated their spokesman ?

Again your comment "Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what," why is it ok for you to make such comments but you insist on telling folk that there opinions don't count... blah, blah, blah...

Your continuing to harp on about other folks comments is also ringing very hollow, I think you can only ever see one side of an argument and it always seems to be yours... :)


The big mistake is "them" thinking that their potential customers opinions don't count.  They certainly do and "they'll" quickly discover that with shelves full of unsold inventory.

Looking forward to C-USA's "Grand liquidation, everything must go sale!"
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #143 on: February 06, 2011, 05:11:40 PM »
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Here's a question though, will they be building in a 9pin D-connector adaptor on there so you could play a two player game with a couple of REAL competition pro joysticks not that USB retarded competition pro?

Little things like that would go a long way.
Yes it would, but at least products like this exist if not:

http://atariage.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=267

...and yeah, a bit of thanks goes out to Red and company for the interview and pics! Lot's of bickering and comic hysteria going on in this thread, but I'm in the camp that would like to see Commodore logos and products commercially produced again. The consumer (some of us even) will sort it all out in the end anyway as per the capitalism norm.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #144 on: February 06, 2011, 05:14:06 PM »
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Why are you telling folk to "get over it" folk are entitled to voice their views and opinions just like you do.

Who are this "We" you speak of, have you been nominated their spokesman ?

Again your comment "Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what," why is it ok for you to make such comments but you insist on telling folk that there opinions don't count... blah, blah, blah...

Your continuing to harp on about other folks comments is also ringing very hollow, I think you can only ever see one side of an argument and it always seems to be yours... :)


"we" as in the people who are interested in this company. As in I am one of them.

I never said anyones opinion doesn't count. But Ill tell you this, my opinion doesnt really count for OS4, or MOS or Natami, or quite a few other projects because I don't really care about them.

I see your side of the argument, I have heard it over and over again, and yet you still make it. Relax, this product isn't for you, just like OS4 isn't for me. I don't state my opinion over and over on OS4 threads because I don't care, I don't consider it to be any more "amiga" than Aros, or MOS or any of the other projects out there.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #145 on: February 06, 2011, 05:14:21 PM »
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Fine it doesn't have anything to do with Amiga, so freaking what, nothing since 1994 really has a direct link to Amiga anyway.


Not true, not even a little bit. There is the operating system.
 

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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #146 on: February 06, 2011, 05:16:30 PM »
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Not true, not even a little bit. There is the operating system.


OS4 was not produced by commodore, or even AI, and it doesnt run on real 68k amigas.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #147 on: February 06, 2011, 05:25:12 PM »
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OS4 was not produced by commodore, or even AI, and it doesnt run on real 68k amigas.


Neither will Workbench 5.  Your point is?  Perhaps Commodore should have had their business plans stolen when they moved from the VIC-20 to the C64 as VIC software wouldn't run on that and it used a different CPU?
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« Reply #148 on: February 06, 2011, 05:27:27 PM »
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OS4 was not produced by commodore, or even AI, and it doesnt run on real 68k amigas.


Commodore doesn't exist, AI never made anything but a fuss, and 68K Amigas aren't manufactured any longer (but there is the MiniMig).

The Amiga operating system, however, is a current product in active development and runs on a variety of hardware. It's development can be traced from the earliest days that predate Commodore. See here...

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=141:twenty-five&catid=36:amigaos-4x&Itemid=18
 

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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #149 from previous page: February 06, 2011, 05:27:51 PM »
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I see your side of the argument, I have heard it over and over again, and yet you still make it. Relax, this product isn't for you, just like OS4 isn't for me. I don't state my opinion over and over on OS4 threads because I don't care, I don't consider it to be any more "amiga" than Aros, or MOS or any of the other projects out there.


I agree with you that this product isn't for me and I've already stated that here in other threads, just as I have stated I wish CUSA no harm in their business venture.

My only complaint (which I have also stated numerous times) is the use of the Commodore, C64, Amiga & Workbench Brand Names/Trademarks but as CUSA seems to be adamant on using them then I shall continue to express my views on this whenever the subject arises... :)