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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #119 on: February 06, 2011, 02:56:17 PM »
@ Redrumloa

Problem is, Red, I can see them selling thousands of the C64x, maybe 10s of thousands, but not much more than that. All they are selling is an alternate (retro) form factor. This doesn't represent much of a value-add for a whole lot of people.

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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2011, 03:03:14 PM »
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@ Redrumloa

Problem is, Red, I can see them selling thousands of the C64x, maybe 10s of thousands, but not much more than that. All they are selling is an alternate (retro) form factor. This doesn't represent much of a value-add for a whole lot of people.

Two cents.

That is yet to be seen. The C64x is one product. Don't get me wrong, I am not declaring Commodore USA will be a major player in the near future as being a slam dunk. I do see potential based on what I was shown, but it comes down to final product, execution, co-branding success and maybe a little luck.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #121 on: February 06, 2011, 03:04:51 PM »
@red

Here comes what everybody has been waiting for ..... the car-analogy !!

Why does BMW sell so many "Minis" ?

Is it because it somehow looks a bit like the old Minis ?

Or is it because it's actually a real good sporty upmarket small car, competing well with the likes of the VW Polo-GTI ?

How many BMW-Minis would we see on the street if they were just as cramped as old ones ? With just a bumpy ride due to the ultra-small tires ? With next to no crash protection ?

Thats why NotC=USA will fail (after some initial selling frenzy).

The C64-Joystick was a so much better attempt at doing a modern C64, concetrate on what the C64 was really good at and sell it at bargain price.

NotC=USA is enforcing all that was akward/bad of the C64 onto a bog-standard (more likely sub-standard) PC without adding any real value.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #122 on: February 06, 2011, 03:07:28 PM »
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@red

Here comes what everybody has been waiting for ..... the car-analogy !!

Why does BMW sell so many "Minis" ?

Is it because it somehow looks a bit like the old Minis ?

Or is it because it's actually a real good sporty upmarket small car, competing well with the likes of the VW Polo-GTI ?

How many BMW-Minis would we see on the street if they were just as cramped as old ones ? With just a bumpy ride due to the ultra-small tires ? With next to no crash protection ?

Thats why NotC=USA will fail (after some initial selling frenzy).

The C64-Joystick was a so much better attempt at doing a modern C64, concetrate on what the C64 was really good at and sell it at bargain price.

NotC=USA is enforcing all that was akward/bad of the C64 onto a bog-standard (more likely sub-standard) PC without adding any real value.

We shall see, we shall see. It should be an interesting ride though, won't it? I can't wait to see the Commodore name back in a major advertising blitz.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #123 on: February 06, 2011, 03:14:38 PM »
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We shall see, we shall see. It should be an interesting ride though, won't it? I can't wait to see the Commodore name back in a major advertising blitz.


That isn't the problem.  It is seeing the Amiga name abused that I have issues with.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #124 on: February 06, 2011, 03:16:07 PM »
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That isn't the peoblem.  It is seeing the Amiga name abused that I have issues with.


Peoblem, you got a hangover this morning... ;)
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #125 on: February 06, 2011, 03:16:37 PM »
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That is yet to be seen. The C64x is one product. Don't get me wrong, I am not declaring Commodore USA will be a major player in the near future as being a slam dunk. I do see potential based on what I was shown, but it comes down to final product, execution, co-branding success and maybe a little luck.


Granted, but my main issue with them is their over-optimism based on what appears to be a very tenuous market to me. Declaring that they're gonna create a Linux-based Workbench 5 using a market-model that depends on nostalgia seems a little beyond wisdom.

Of course, I'm also in the if-it-ain't-gonna-be-an-Amiga-like-OS-then-don't-call-it-Amiga camp.

But, yes, we shall see...
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #126 on: February 06, 2011, 03:17:20 PM »
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That isn't the peoblem.  It is seeing the Amiga name abused that I have issues with.


They have a legal right to use it as they see fit. They hold a license and despite threats, there has been no legal action by Hyperion.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #127 on: February 06, 2011, 03:21:51 PM »
Ok guys, I'm going to be off to celebrate Super Bowl Sunday here soon. I may or may not be checking this thread throughout the day.

Go Dolphins!!! Oh wait... :cry:
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #128 on: February 06, 2011, 03:22:56 PM »
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That is yet to be seen. The C64x is one product. Don't get me wrong, I am not declaring Commodore USA will be a major player in the near future as being a slam dunk. I do see potential based on what I was shown, but it comes down to final product, execution, co-branding success and maybe a little luck.


The other part is management capabilities.  Barry has never had a business failure, he has the basic instinct of what will work and what will fail.  Unlike a lot of business owners who trying to make it, Barry has already made it and could be retired for the rest of his life.  This is his passion, this has capture his interest and he can throw himself into it with out the worry of losing everything.  His pockets run that deep as his connections run extremely deep world wide.   Barry is a different animal then what we have seen since the days of Jack Tramiel.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #129 on: February 06, 2011, 03:24:37 PM »
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They have a legal right to use it as they see fit. They hold a license and despite threats, there has been no legal action by Hyperion.


Coke had the legal right to make New Coke too, but that didn't stop them from getting into trouble for it.

Just saying... :)
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #130 on: February 06, 2011, 03:25:28 PM »
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The other part is management capabilities.  Barry has never had a business failure, he has the basic instinct of what will work and what will fail.  Unlike a lot of business owners who trying to make it, Barry has already made it and could be retired for the rest of his life.  This is his passion, this has capture his interest and he can throw himself into it with out the worry of losing everything.  His pockets run that deep as his connections run extremely deep world wide.   Barry is a different animal then what we have seen since the days of Jack Tramiel.


There's always a first time. :)
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #131 on: February 06, 2011, 03:32:30 PM »
Thanks for the report! :)

That C64 looks very interesting! I think it will sell *a lot*! :)
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #132 on: February 06, 2011, 03:37:30 PM »
Yeah they show that American gridiron grand finale on SBS (the ethnic channel here) it's on the middle of Monday morning so it basically is watched by a few unemployed migrant indonesians who wonder wether it's a type of Rugby or not.

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Ok guys, I'm going to be off to celebrate Super Bowl Sunday here soon. I may or may not be checking this thread throughout the day.

Go Dolphins!!! Oh wait... :cry:
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #133 on: February 06, 2011, 03:48:32 PM »
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They have a legal right to use it as they see fit. They hold a license and despite threats, there has been no legal action by Hyperion.


Legal or ethical?  Their ethics stink.
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Re: My evening with Commodore USA, LLC
« Reply #134 from previous page: February 06, 2011, 03:49:33 PM »
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Peoblem, you got a hangover this morning... ;)


Doh!  That was Tex-Mex for "problem".  :D
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