My evening with Commodore USA, LLC

[redrumloa]

Did I miss anything ?

Apparently. I won't reply to you point for point, just address this.

I mean 11 years ago with the Bill&Barry-show it wasn't that much  different, only that these 2 knew how to execute their  megalomanic-investment-scam with style (just not with success) having  big offices and suchlike.       

You should have typed Bill&Fleecy as to not confuse people with Barry Altman when you mean Fleecy. Also this line seems to imply you think CUSA is also a scam? I would say that is completely off basis. CUSA has not asked for money and not delivered product (CyberstormG3, Boxer etc). CUSA has not engaged in coupon schemes ($50 coupon, Party Pack etc). CUSA has demonstrated they are not a thinly veiled hoax (iWin, Troika etc).

At some point if they start asking for money in any situation that is not directly related to purchasing immediately available product, then maybe those thoughts creep in. None of that is happening here at this time. T

[dammy]

Ah well at least you admit to being a grass, now if you you'll just admit to being a paid lacky of CUSA that would clear thing up a treat...

No Mr. Pirate, I am not an employee of C=USA.  How about you admitting who you really are instead?  Some how I really don't believe someone who just found the Internet in June goes and uses an anonymous domain register's service in early August and then puts up a pretty nice web site.  I wouldn't doubt your using a anon service when posting as well. You are not going to tell us that N00bs do that all the time, right?

[redrumloa]

Amiga Inc lost the amigaOS4 court case, calling the new skinned linux OS5 is just underhand, and a clear attempt at obfuscation.

They aren't planning on calling it OS5, rather Workbench 5. That may change too.

Same thing for the name of the machine, it's named to mislead, and to be confused with the new X1000 from A-eon.

That you would be wrong. A-Eon is not the first company to use the letter X in a product. Think Windows XP, OSX etc. The size of the potential market for the X1000 is completely irreverent to CUSA. Besides if I remember the conversation properly, and don't take my memory as a direct quote, CUSA did contact A-Eon and determined the X1000/OS4 product is nowhere near completion. CUSA wants product on the shelf this year, not at some undetermined year in the future if at all.

they could have went about it in a less underhanded manner, and let it stand on it's own merits.

I fail to see any underhanded manner, CUSA seems to be pretty open. So open in fact they have been blasted for minor hiccups.

[Kronos]

@red

Amino's initial plan was an investment(IPO)-scam, thats quite clearly documented on the net. When that failed (as they were a wee bit late for the dotcom-bubble) they went to scamming their costumers.

NotC=USA might not shown much evidence to write them down as a scam, but there have shown plenty evidence to show that they are not to be taken serious.

More in line with iWin or Escena sofar.

@dammy
And there I was thinking using a (slighly) funny avatar for personel use and blatantly ripping other peoples images and trademarks to support you buisness were somewhat different......

NotC=USA have shown quite clearly how little regard they have for other peoples IP when it came to trademarks or pictures I see no reason why that would change if and when it comes to upholding the terms of the GPL (or similar licences).

[minator]

Thanks for the report Red.  
Currently these are just PCs in fancy retro cases.

Are they considering something more realistic like say a Minimig in an A500 case?
An FPGA based C64 in the C64 case is even more obvious.

If he's really spending big sums on getting the case right, why not throw in a new production run of the 6581 as well. He'd certainly sell those - there's a whole sub-culture of SID based synths out there.

[Franko]

No Mr. Pirate, I am not an employee of C=USA.  How about you admitting who you really are instead?  Some how I really don't believe someone who just found the Internet in June goes and uses an anonymous domain register's service in early August and then puts up a pretty nice web site.  I wouldn't doubt your using a anon service when posting as well. You are not going to tell us that N00bs do that all the time, right?

Here we go again, I really don't care who you think I am and how long I've been on the net if you couldn't pick up how to work the thing in your first few months then your even thicker than I gave you credit for...

Doubt away, think what you want, it's nice to know that I at least give you something to think about all the time, well at least when you're not thinking about just how far you can stick your tongue up Barry's read end...

[redrumloa]

@red

Amino's initial plan was an investment(IPO)-scam, thats quite clearly documented on the net. When that failed (as they were a wee bit late for the dotcom-bubble) they went to scamming their costumers.

NotC=USA might not shown much evidence to write them down as a scam, but  there have shown plenty evidence to show that they are not to be taken  serious.

More in line with iWin or Escena sofar.

Got you. I read into your comment that you were comparing CUSA to Amino, now I see you weren't. You are entitled to your opinion.

I will say look at the Commodore 64x photos in my album. The heavy lifting is already done for this product. It is what it is, a PC in a beautiful retro case. No reason this can't be on the shelves this year.

[dammy]

@dammy
And there I was thinking using a (slighly) funny avatar for personel use and blatantly ripping other peoples images and trademarks to support you buisness were somewhat different......

No, there is no difference.  But it's accepted by most and in the business world, because it's tolerated to a point.  It's not worth their effort to stomp out minor IP violations and it gives them free exposure on the Net.

NotC=USA have shown quite clearly how little regard they have for other peoples IP when it came to trademarks or pictures I see no reason why that would change if and when it comes to upholding the terms of the GPL (or similar licences).

That remains to be seen.

[Kronos]

It is what it is, a PC in a beautiful retro case.

Yeah, but .....

If your doing something like that as an DIY-project, you might be seen as the übercool-ultra-geek at the next retro-event, but if your buying it off the shelf all you get is an ultra-unergonomic PC at probraly insane pricing

So in the long run it's doomed to fail, just like that >2000$ mobo based around an EOL-CPU.

It's just that NotC=USA might make the bigger splash.

[dammy]

Doubt away, think what you want, it's nice to know that I at least give you something to think about all the time, well at least when you're not thinking about just how far you can stick your tongue up Barry's read end...

If that imaging floats your boat, go for it.

[WolfToTheMoon]

So in the long run it's doomed to fail, just like that >2000$ mobo based around an EOL-CPU.

Maybe... luckily, C=USA is not basing their strategy on a single product. There will be laptops, netbooks, tablets, LCD monitos, keyboards, mices, joysticks... They should do fine, IMHO. C64x may, eventually, prove to be very expensive and low profit for them, but it will bring media attention. That's more important then number of units sold...

[Franko]

If that imaging floats your boat, go for it.

No thanks, I'd rather think about you as you really are, a wee piece of S&!TE that I've just trodden and and then have the pleasure of scraping you off into the gutter where you belong...

[redrumloa]

Yeah, but .....

If your doing something like that as an DIY-project, you might be seen as the übercool-ultra-geek at the next retro-event, but if your buying it off the shelf all you get is an ultra-unergonomic PC at probraly insane pricing

Economics of scale, there are no plans for the c64x to be a rare uber-geek novelty. The idea is to have a major advertising blitz and products on the shelves of major retailers. The way I see it, the 64x should be their bread and butter if the plan is executed properly. CUSA sees not only name recognition with the Commodore name, but also the form of the C64 has instant recognition.

Barry told me a story about walking around a major manufacturing plant local to us while carrying his C64x prototype. Multiple people stopped him from different levels of the company to say they remembered the C64 fondly. I can relate to this story as I have a similar story, but one from the late 90's. The nostalgia factor is strong with the C64 and it has only grown since the 90's.

[EDanaII]

Will you two kindly take this elsewhere?

[Ral-Clan]

That C64 retro keyboard is great.  Looks like a near perfect adaptation (with of course modern functions subtly added).  The C64 PC is an interesting product, for sure.  Awesome!  The Amiga stuff I'm not so interested in unless they started making more of these near perfect retro-cases for them.

[EDanaII]

@ Redrumloa

Problem is, Red, I can see them selling thousands of the C64x, maybe 10s of thousands, but not much more than that. All they are selling is an alternate (retro) form factor. This doesn't represent much of a value-add for a whole lot of people.

Two cents.