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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2011, 05:57:18 PM »
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I thought Natami with 060 was for developers early adopters?. And I to though they were a fair way along with the FPGA CPU. if it's £500-600 quid, i'm out ;(
That's what I thought, too. Moonywolf is going off of the NatAmi site, but I recall from previous discussions that the information there is severely outdated...
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2011, 06:15:57 PM »
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That's what I thought, too. Moonywolf is going off of the NatAmi site, but I recall from previous discussions that the information there is severely outdated...


Even without the 68060, it's still going to be expensive...

C-one and Minimig are what... 300-400 euros? Something many times as poweful, with a much bigger FPGA, more memory and 68060(on the first models)... I'll be suprised if it isn't 1000 euros or more(with 060)... Later they will get cheaper, but how much, it remains to be seen.
 

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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2011, 06:22:12 PM »
If Natami sells 200, I think they'll consider it is a success. I'd certainly love to own one.
They aren't taking anyones money, so no need to get fussed up about when it'll be out.
 
 
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2011, 06:23:39 PM »
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C-one and Minimig are what... 300-400 euros?


Only 130euros for the Minimig.
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2011, 07:15:05 PM »
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Even without the 68060, it's still going to be expensive...

C-one and Minimig are what... 300-400 euros? Something many times as poweful, with a much bigger FPGA, more memory and 68060(on the first models)... I'll be suprised if it isn't 1000 euros or more(with 060)... Later they will get cheaper, but how much, it remains to be seen.


Hmm... at 300 to 400 euros for a Minimig (which is waaaay out as Tone007 has shown) and all your other guesstimates at the prices of the NatAmi, I sure hope for your sake you don't dabble in stocks & shares... :)

What's your guesstimate for a CUSA machine, two bob and a packet of stale peanuts would be mine... :)

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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2011, 07:16:47 PM »
Haiku 68k with AROS Hosted would be cool.
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2011, 07:21:38 PM »
I want Amiga OS 3.X with the Natami, and i will be glad to buy one up to 400 EUR. It would still be a good price compared to classic hardware.
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2011, 07:32:06 PM »
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I want Amiga OS 3.X with the Natami, and i will be  glad to buy one up to 400 EUR. It would still be a good price compared  to classic hardware.
This. Even 400 EUR (and that's a high estimate, judging by the Minimig  cost) would be a bargain compared to what it would cost to get a classic  Amiga up to anywhere near the estimated performance, and well within a  lot of our budgets for retrocomputing hardware.

But I suppose Wolftothemoon can't accept the idea of paying that kind of money for anything that doesn't have an Amiga sticker and slightly-customized case on it...
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2011, 07:32:23 PM »
Well, if sells around 300-400 euro, I will buy 1.
If it's over 600, no way, or it's configuration has to be that good to justify it.
Whatever the OS, it will still have to run games as well.
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2011, 07:36:33 PM »
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This. Even 400 EUR (and that's a high estimate, judging by the Minimig  cost) would be a bargain compared to what it would cost to get a classic  Amiga up to anywhere near the estimated performance, and well within a  lot of our budgets for retrocomputing hardware.

But I suppose Wolftothemoon can't accept the idea of paying that kind of money for anything that doesn't have an Amiga sticker and slightly-customized case on it...


+1 :)

(although to be honest if the NatAmi can do all it claims then considering an 060 board goes for well over £300 these days on ebay I'd happily pay a grand for a brand new bit of kit with those specs... :))
 

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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2011, 07:37:42 PM »
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This. Even 400 EUR (and that's a high estimate, judging by the Minimig  cost) would be a bargain compared to what it would cost to get a classic  Amiga up to anywhere near the estimated performance, and well within a  lot of our budgets for retrocomputing hardware.

But I suppose Wolftothemoon can't accept the idea of paying that kind of money for anything that doesn't have an Amiga sticker and slightly-customized case on it...


You wont see NATAMI at that price...

Minimig is 160 euros, yes... basic configuration... add 4 MB(68 euros) and ARM controller and it will be around 300 euros.

C-one is 333 euros.

These are all significantly less powerful computers with smaller FPGAs then Natami.

If anything, you should compare it to Atari Firebee(599 euros no VAT), which has a dirt cheap Coldfire and a smaller FPGA, but it is at least comparable in power and add ons. First models with 68060 will be even more expensive.
 

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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2011, 07:42:10 PM »
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You wont see NATAMI at that price...

Minimig is 160 euros, yes... basic configuration... add 4 MB(68 euros) and ARM controller and it will be around 300 euros.

C-one is 333 euros.

These are all significantly less powerful computers with smaller FPGAs then Natami.

If anything, you should compare it to Atari Firebee(599 euros no VAT), which has a dirt cheap Coldfire and a smaller FPGA, but it is at least comparable in power and add ons. First models with 68060 will be even more expensive.


He's right.  The NatAmi will have a much larger FPGA than the MiniMig or even the Retro Replay board.  It will probably cost around 750-850 Euros for the prototypes and only after the bugs are worked out will we have a Altera HardCopy version of the FPGA made (assuming that's still the most cost-effective technology for making fixed-functionality chips).
 

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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2011, 07:50:16 PM »
68 EUR for 4MB? What a gyp... And even 600+ EUR would be cost-effective compared to the upgrades you'd need to bring a 68k Amiga anywhere near this level of performance.

But please, continue! Any more reasons you'd like to share why NatAmi is Inevitably Doomed To Fail?

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He's right.  The NatAmi will have a much  larger FPGA than the MiniMig or even the Retro Replay board.  It will  probably cost around 750-850 Euros for the prototypes and only after the  bugs are worked out will we have a Altera HardCopy version of the FPGA  made (assuming that's still the most cost-effective technology for  making fixed-functionality chips).
Hmm. Any estimate on what the cost would be once the hard-copy version is out?
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2011, 08:37:42 PM »
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First of all i'm kicking myself waiting for the NatAmi to finally arrive. When it does i am going to buy it without a second thought :)

There has been lots of talk about the hardware of NatAmi but nothing about what it will run on. Which Amiga os would be the most ideal to use?

WB3.x - The NatAmi is vastly more powerful than the machines WB3.x was intended for. So i think it would be a shame to use an inferior os that will never realize the NatAmi's potiental. So do we stick with WB3.x or do we look for something else that can take advantage of it's higher performance?
 
I think the worst thing we can do is let Hyperion join in on the NatAmi revolution. They will only trash it with help from Amigainc. They will probably start charging users fees or some other BS. The appeal for me with the upcoming NatAmi is that we can make a fresh start away from Legal BS from the Amiga camp and potientally start a new platform. So maybe A4.x classic wouldn't be a wise choice.

I'm also wondering how Morphos would be like running on Natami. This would seem a good idea to me. But maybe the purists would reject it.

Aros is unrealistic as a Natami os as the development is too long. The delay it would take would only allow Hyperion to get a headstart.

I'm dreaming of switching on my NatAmi and seeing a os load up with NatAmi Workbench 1.2 or 1.3 just like it was 20 odd years ago.

I think the NatAmi has great potiental in the future to really shake things up a bit in the divided Amiga community. Especially if they end up selling thousands of them and not just a hundred or two.

So what does everyone think? :)
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2011, 08:39:37 PM »
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You forgot multiplechoose, because NatAmi, I think that it will runs OS3.9, OS4.x for Classic and maybe AROS too.


Doesn't OS4.x for Classic require a PPC card?
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Re: Which os for NatAmi?
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 31, 2011, 08:49:34 PM »
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Doesn't OS4.x for Classic require a PPC card?
Yes, but I read that the NatAmi project will have CPUs modules to choose several CPUs, the 68060 and PowerPC xxx, but if now they are change the project, sorry I don't know.
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