Which os for NatAmi?

[Iggy]

I understood Natami was to be (near?) 100% compatible with OS3.1 but with extensions to access the more advanced hardware?  In which case a patched 3.1 would make sense.  I assumed they'd sell the hardware without an OS,  users would then be responsible for OS installation (avoiding any legal complications).  Most users already own a legal copy of 3.0 / 3.1 anyway.   Not sure about the ROM's though?

That would be my guess as well. they'll encourage ASROS68K development as i will provide a legal OS, but the systems probably will ship w/o an OS.

This would allow end users to install whatever variant they choose.

[commodorejohn]

Says he... who thinks CUSA are going to take on Apple and thinks CUSAs PCs aren't expensive... :rolleyes:

Yeah, there's the hilarious bit "C-USA is the way of the future with their generic hardware in slightly-less-generic cases, but NatAmi is doomed to fail, fail, fail! And it's totally going to be super-expensive even though there hasn't even been a price set yet!"

[WolfToTheMoon]

Yeah, there's the hilarious bit "C-USA is the way of the future with their generic hardware in slightly-less-generic cases, but NatAmi is doomed to fail, fail, fail! And it's totally going to be super-expensive even though there hasn't even been a price set yet!"

It will be very expensive(for what it is)...

Atari Coldfire is 599 euros(no VAT), and it uses a much cheaper CPU(Coldfire vs 68060) and a smaller FPGA. I'll be suprised if Natami undercuts SAM460 in price and not very surprised if it is more expensive.
That's just too much for a retro hobby thingy...

[Franko]

It will be very expensive(for what it is)...

Atari Coldfire is 599 euros(no VAT), and it uses a much cheaper CPU(Coldfire vs 68060) and a smaller FPGA. I'll be suprised if Natami undercuts SAM460 in price and not very surprised if it is more expensive.
That's just too much for a retro hobby thingy...

Maybe a "retro hobby thingy" to you mate, but it's a hell of a lot more than that to me...

And pray tell, what's the rough prices for CUSAs upcoming PCs

Oooppps, forgot you can't read this cos of the ignore thingy... :roflmao:

In that case I'll take this opportunity to say... SHUT UP... PLEASE... :biglaugh:

[commodorejohn]

NatAmi isn't going to use an actual 060, though, except in the test models (SamuraiCrow can feel free to correct me if I've misread their site.) They're using a custom 68k variant within the FPGA. I'd bet that the lack of a $100 CPU would definitely offset the cost of a larger FPGA, so I'd be surprised if it's as expensive as the Atari Coldfire, let alone anywhere near as pricey as the SAM460. We'll have to see, though.

[commodorejohn]

And pray tell, what's the rough prices for CUSAs upcoming PCs

Oh, but that doesn't count, because they're not just a "hobby system," they're Real Computers! That you could, you know, assemble from components yourself and save money if you understand the arcane arts of operating a screwdriver and putting a plug into a socket, but then it wouldn't be AMIGA!!! because it doesn't have the boing-ball sticker...

[WolfToTheMoon]

NatAmi isn't going to use an actual 060, though, except in the test models (SamuraiCrow can feel free to correct me if I've misread their site.) They're using a custom 68k variant within the FPGA. I'd bet that the lack of a $100 CPU would definitely offset the cost of a larger FPGA, so I'd be surprised if it's as expensive as the Atari Coldfire, let alone anywhere near as pricey as the SAM460. We'll have to see, though.

The Natami  page lists(under specification)...

http://www.natami.net/specification.htm

• CPU on CPU-card

68060 CPU on board for instant compatibility with AMIGA software and Operating Systems for Amiga-Hardware
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If that is true, than say hello to SAM460 prices.

[Franko]

The Natami  page lists(under specification)...

http://www.natami.net/specification.htm




If that is true, than say hello to SAM460 prices.

Hmmm... he's got a fascination with NatAmi, maybe he's a closet NatAmi fan and only using the CUSA FanBoy thing as a cover...

[WolfToTheMoon]

Also, pictures over at Natami site show a 68060 board on top of the baseboard...

I had a talk about building a Coldfire based accelerator with a guy on the local amiga forum. During the discussion he mentioned the lowest retail price for the slowest 68060(50 MHz)... It was 300+ $(326, to be exact). Sure, Freescale will offer it to you at 90$ a piece - if you order 10 000 CPUs . So, I think my estimate of SAM460 prices could be spot on(btw, that's just for the motherboard).

[vidarh]

Also, pictures over at Natami site show a 68060 board on top of the baseboard...

The CPU card is optional as soon as they get their 68050 soft core in place and fully tested. Don't know if it'll be from launch, but they've been running the 68050 core for some time on FPGA dev boards, as far as I understand.

[Ral-Clan]

First of all i'm kicking myself waiting for the NatAmi to finally arrive. When it does i am going to buy it without a second thought

There has been lots of talk about the hardware of NatAmi but nothing about what it will run on. Which Amiga os would be the most ideal to use?

Seems a bit premature (to me) for you to be wondering this.  The Natami doesn't exist yet in a form we can buy and may never exist (hopefully it will, but I never believe any hardware announcements in Amigaland until I see it for sale).

I really wanted to buy a Natami in 2008.  I was hoping my Amiga would last until then so I could switch over to the Natami.  By 2008, it had been several years since it had been announced and the first Natamis were supposed to be available that summer.

My Amiga did break down that year, the Natami wasn't around, I was forced against my preference to switch to a Windows box running WinUAE.

But - then I discovered that emulation was not the devil I had thought it would be - it was actually an AWESOME Amiga experience!  I could do all the processor and memory intensive productivity work I wanted to much faster and much cheaper.

Still, if the Natami had been around in 2008 things would have played out differently and I would now be a Natami owner.

I might still buy one if they are cheap enough.  I support the idea of making a 68K based Amiga clone with enhancements.

To answer your original question, I think OS3.1 or 3.9 would be really what it has been designed for.  Hopefully the AROS kickstart replacement will be available by then to make all things nice and legal.

[Buzzfuzz]

If the team rebuilds 4.1 Classic and if it's allowed by Hyperion (I don't think they will, but you never know), then it could be pretty good.
 
I don't see the point of running 3.1/3.9 on it.
AROS or MorphOS is a no go anyway, I rather have a true Amiga OS on it than those 2.

[Iggy]

Also, pictures over at Natami site show a 68060 board on top of the baseboard...

I had a talk about building a Coldfire based accelerator with a guy on the local amiga forum. During the discussion he mentioned the lowest retail price for the slowest 68060(50 MHz)... It was 300+ $(326, to be exact). Sure, Freescale will offer it to you at 90$ a piece - if you order 10 000 CPUs . So, I think my estimate of SAM460 prices could be spot on(btw, that's just for the motherboard).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260618840054&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_2141wt_1139

$38 + $3 S&H

[kickstart]

Make a substitute for classics amigas with any different to the classics OS (with drivers for all of this über aga chipset of course) its a waste of time. Anyway... how many years is natami on development? fantasyware.

[Khephren]

Make a substitute for classics amigas with any different to the classics OS (with drivers for all of this über aga chipset of course) its a waste of time. Anyway... how many years is natami on development? fantasyware.

You could very well be right, I hope not. I did think the same about AROS for a long time, and the Pandora handheld.They both started off slow, and then started building up momentum when developers started to get excited about their progress.

I thought Natami with 060 was for developers early adopters?. And I to though they were a fair way along with the FPGA CPU. if it's £500-600 quid, i'm out ;(

[commodorejohn]

I thought Natami with 060 was for developers early adopters?. And I to though they were a fair way along with the FPGA CPU. if it's £500-600 quid, i'm out ;(

That's what I thought, too. Moonywolf is going off of the NatAmi site, but I recall from previous discussions that the information there is severely outdated...