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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #194 from previous page: January 11, 2011, 10:53:28 PM »
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Well then the Canuck must understand how it feels to see other nations that haven't previously lead this race take the led.
Its not pleasant thinking of Chinese lunar colonies when we have no agreement about the militarization of space with the Chinese.

Well, Canada's aeronautical industry was destroyed in great part by it's southern friend. Many of the very talented canadian engineers went on to work in the USA and some of them gave a good effort on the Apollo project.

As to Avro Arrow CF-105, it was a plane to pioneer fly-by-wire and it's engines were matched in power only by F-22s engines some 30 years later. All made in Canada :) ... Then destroyed because of the political pressure from south of the border
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #195 on: January 11, 2011, 10:53:39 PM »
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You might want to tell NICE and the hpa that they should stop ignoring your claims. And that was just one example of a specific set of drugs.




They are.



If standards are as low as you imply, I don't blame you.



There are NICE guidelines specifically spell out dosage ranges for given patients weights on a per drug basis. They're there if you look for them. Apparently just another way our evil socialist death panel system beats the US one...


Actually, I just don't place my faith or my well being in the hands of others as casually as you (or many others) do.
I'm glad your so impressecd with NICE and the concept of dosage "ranges".
It still looks like a way of dumbing down a concept of dosage control to me.
And, no, I don't think the standards of my education were that low. Most of you wouldn't have been able to pass those courses. I had a GPA of 3.89 at the time and still felt relieved to get out of Physiology with a low B.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #196 on: January 11, 2011, 11:11:21 PM »
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Actually, I just don't place my faith or my well being in the hands of others as casually as you (or many others) do.


Casually? Pfft.

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I'm glad your so impressecd with NICE and the concept of dosage "ranges".


As with engineering there is always a certain tolerance to work within. Why should the human body be any different?

The reason there are ranges is because people are different, what might be enough for one person might not be for another of the same body weight.

The point is it completely blows out of the water your initial claim, at least for the UK.

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It still looks like a way of dumbing down a concept of dosage control to me.


NICE guidelines are written by panels of experts who trawl through research papers and put together more readily accessible documentation for people on the front line, who for the most part really don't have the time to spend months at a time getting the latest research into a given medicine and weighing it up against previous research any time they want to give someone a shot.

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And, no, I don't think the standards of my education were that low. Most of you wouldn't have been able to pass those courses. I had a GPA of 3.89 at the time and still felt relieved to get out of Physiology with a low B.


You might want to go back and read what I actually said, I didn't aim the comment at you, in fact I'm fairly certain it was aimed at your medical profession, again, if your claims about the US system are correct. Which I'm sorry to say I really doubt, since a lot of the papers that are sourced to put together NICE guidelines come from the US.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #197 on: January 11, 2011, 11:21:09 PM »
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Quotin' this.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #198 on: January 11, 2011, 11:27:45 PM »
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #199 on: January 11, 2011, 11:33:26 PM »
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snip...


Maybe if you read what was written instead of trying to win at all cost an argument on the internet then your post wouldn't be as juvenile.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #200 on: January 11, 2011, 11:34:08 PM »
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Casually? Pfft.



As with engineering there is always a certain tolerance to work within. Why should the human body be any different?

The reason there are ranges is because people are different, what might be enough for one person might not be for another of the same body weight.

The point is it completely blows out of the water your initial claim, at least for the UK.



NICE guidelines are written by panels of experts who trawl through research papers and put together more readily accessible documentation for people on the front line, who for the most part really don't have the time to spend months at a time getting the latest research into a given medicine and weighing it up against previous research any time they want to give someone a shot.



You might want to go back and read what I actually said, I didn't aim the comment at you, in fact I'm fairly certain it was aimed at your medical profession, again, if your claims about the US system are correct. Which I'm sorry to say I really doubt, since a lot of the papers that are sourced to put together NICE guidelines come from the US.


Alan, I have no interest in disputing your apparent faith in the medical profession or its "experts". Although one of the people who I trust most in that field once defined expert to me as "anyone who makes three correct guesses in a row".
Nor do I want to compare the health care systems in our respective countries as I already know the US has the best health care no one can afford.
Our opinions, our points of view just vary.
I remember (growing up) my father coming home one day from work angrier than I'd ever seen him.
Initially he would tell me what was bothering him, although through the night I'd occasionally hear him make comments like "son of bitch should have retired long ago".
the next day I asked my mother what had happened. She told me that during surgery an elderly doctor's hand had slipped and he had punctured the patient's aorta with his thumb. "And your father is particularly upset because all he said was 'whoops'", my mother told me.

"Whoops!", your dead. Doctors are human, and this is not the only horrors story I got to find out about growing up.

So take it whatever way you want. I am very careful who I place my life in the hand off.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #201 on: January 11, 2011, 11:34:26 PM »
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Who is actually using it as a desktop?

That is the point. Bring it on.

Computer were once the domain of business alone but the tech did trickle down to us.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #202 on: January 11, 2011, 11:36:09 PM »
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The Canadian's have a space program? When did that occur?

canadarm, the landing gear on the moon lander, many astronauts... you were saying?
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #203 on: January 11, 2011, 11:36:44 PM »
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They actually do have. And before being destroyed with the cancellation of the Avro Arrow project, Canada had one of the strongest aeronautical industries around.

Eh, something we finally agree on.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #204 on: January 11, 2011, 11:45:58 PM »
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Alan, I have no interest in disputing your apparent faith in the medical profession or its "experts". Although one of the people who I trust most in that field once defined expert to me as "anyone who makes three correct guesses in a row".


I wouldn't really be bothered if you did tbh, but medical science and it's practical application works for the most part, it's really not up for discussion. The whole point was about a single claim you made, which it turns out is incorrect. That's all.

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Nor do I want to compare the health care systems in our respective countries as I already know the US has the best health care no one can afford.
Our opinions, our points of view just vary.


And I'll imagine they'll vary still more over time, at least on this one particular issue. But it's all good and part of life's rich tapestry.

Quote from: Iggy;605966

I remember (growing up) my father coming home one day from work angrier than I'd ever seen him.
Initially he would tell me what was bothering him, although through the night I'd occasionally hear him make comments like "son of bitch should have retired long ago".
the next day I asked my mother what had happened. She told me that during surgery an elderly doctor's hand had slipped and he had punctured the patient's aorta with his thumb. "And your father is particularly upset because all he said was 'whoops'", my mother told me.

"Whoops!", your dead. Doctors are human, and this is not the only horrors story I got to find out about growing up.

So take it whatever way you want. I am very careful who I place my life in the hand off.


Whilst I fully respect the above may well have been a powerful influence on your view of the entire medical profession, I think perhaps you might want to look further afield to develop a broader view of it all. I don't do anecdotal evidence. Nor do I base my views on individual incidents, bad choices are made that way. YMMV
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #205 on: January 11, 2011, 11:49:07 PM »
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Quote acknowledged.


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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #206 on: January 12, 2011, 12:02:35 AM »
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CUSA are planning a tablet(maybe even a smartphone, although that may be too much from current perspective), but it will not be released that soon.


Wow, CUSA is a bigger player than I thought. Why, I bet all these big plans prove that the Amiga brand is still very valuable as a brand. Amiga Inc. ought to get top offer for it, since it's apparently for sale.

Some might even theorize that's the whole idea here.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #207 on: January 12, 2011, 12:05:13 AM »
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Acknowledgement quoted.

Quotin' this...

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #208 on: January 12, 2011, 12:05:43 AM »
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Wow, CUSA is a bigger player than I thought. Why, I bet all these big plans prove that the Amiga brand is still very valuable as a brand. Amiga Inc. ought to get top offer for it, since it's apparently for sale.

Some might even theorize that's the whole idea here.

Penny stock scam again?
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #209 on: January 12, 2011, 12:14:45 AM »
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I'm not saying that I wouldn't LOVE to get ahold of an "Amiga on a Joystick" type thing, if I could just convince Jeri to get off her proverbial butt and make one, but I'm not delusional enough to expect the next revolutionary platform to have an Amiga sticker on it.


That doesn't explain why we should be happy about a butt ugly PC +Linux UAE combo for a huge markup.

I think I speak for all intelligent true Amigans when I say better to have nothing ever again than see that name on such an abomination.

If it doesn't have OCS/AGA chips and the faclity to play my original Cinemaware floppy disks it ain't a real Amiga anyway ;)