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Offline chris

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #344 from previous page: December 10, 2012, 08:46:23 PM »
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@Chris,


Not to steal your thunder, but try this instead. It's *VASTLY* superior to WinGuide. Second application from the top.


http://www.stone-oakvalley-studios.com/index_software.php


Cheers! :)


Oooh, I hadn't seen that before.  WinGuide is a bit crashy under Windows 7 (I just discovered after comparing the two), however agwviewer is not supporting or filtering @{lindent} and chucking HTML codes visibily in one of the pages I just tried it out on.

I agree that it's better though, especially under Windows 7.
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Offline pVC

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #345 on: December 11, 2012, 07:13:00 AM »
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Honestly, we haven't quite decided yet. Given the price range discussed in this very thread, my best guess is that the price will be in the 20-25€ range for the digital download (yes, I am aware of the irony of downloading a TCP/IP stack from the Internet), plus some extra money should you prefer a CD-R (with the installation software and the SDK on it) mailed to your home (no idea how that much would cost, though).


I'd say that 20-25e would be ok for physical copy, but if download version would be considerably lower (10-15e), then it would sell a lot more. It would be easier to toss the money for occasional hobbyists which the most of the users seem to be nowadays.

With that 20e for download copy I'll stick with the old stacks. With 10e I'd buy this new for sure, even when I could do with the old stacks.


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I downloaded and tested. It feels faster than Miami. I'm using SANA-II and a Mediator with 100 Mbps card.


Yeah, it doesn't need much to be faster than Miami ;) I think it's about the same speeds with AmiTCP.
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #346 on: December 11, 2012, 08:26:46 AM »
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I downloaded and tested. It feels faster than Miami. I'm using SANA-II and a Mediator with 100 Mbps card. Very easy to set up. I will definitely pay for this!


You can tweak the device configuration file, increasing the number of read/write requests as necessary. When I performed my initial testing back in 2001, I found that the default settings were too conservative. Once I turned them up to 32 (used to be 10), performance went through the roof.

I'm curious about the setup process. The installation script should put everything on the boot volume, but you still need to edit the networking device configuration. I know how to do that, but is there something you think could be done better? It's not exactly user-friendly :-/
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #347 on: December 11, 2012, 09:11:34 AM »
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I'm curious about the setup process. The installation script should put everything on the boot volume, but you still need to edit the networking device configuration. I know how to do that, but is there something you think could be done better? It's not exactly user-friendly :-/


Yes, that will cause complains by less experienced users for sure. Maybe installation script should ask basic network settings and apply it to configuration file in devs:. Doesn't need much, just little playing with scripts. And then you could reconfigure it by running installation script again. Pretty old fashioned, but would be better than nothing if you're not up to write full prefs program.

And btw. could you add preconfigured interface file for 3com driver too? And Hydra & X-surf too...
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #348 on: December 11, 2012, 10:16:20 AM »
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And btw. could you add preconfigured interface file for 3com driver too? And Hydra & X-surf too...


It should include preconfigured interface files for cnet.device/g-rex/prometheus/xsurf/... otherwise users will complain.
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #349 on: December 11, 2012, 10:24:54 AM »
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It should include preconfigured interface files for cnet.device/g-rex/prometheus/xsurf/... otherwise users will complain.


It has for cnet...
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« Reply #350 on: December 11, 2012, 12:02:30 PM »
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Yes, that will cause complains by less experienced users for sure. Maybe installation script should ask basic network settings and apply it to configuration file in devs:. Doesn't need much, just little playing with scripts. And then you could reconfigure it by running installation script again. Pretty old fashioned, but would be better than nothing if you're not up to write full prefs program.


Picking the right configuration is hard. If you assume that DHCP ought to work, it would make the basic setup easier. But, trouble is, if DHCP does not work, then the boot process will stall until the failed negotiation times out. I don't have a good solution for this yet (yes, the OS4 version of Roadshow has exactly the same problem).

Specific configuration options which suit your local network are more often than not tough to get exactly right. I remember that when I used AmiTCP for the first time, back in 1994, I didn't understand exactly how IP-Adress, subnet mask and default gateway would play together. If I remember correctly, DNS servers were configured separately. Any small mistake would render the whole configuration useless, and not being an expert greatly increased the likelihood of making that small mistake :(

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And btw. could you add preconfigured interface file for 3com driver too? And Hydra & X-surf too...


I'd be happy to. The current set of files represents only the hardware which I had access to and could test by myself. If you could point me to working configurations (e.g. what goes into the "device=" line of the respective Storage/NetInterfaces config file), I'll update the demo version and the release version archives.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #351 on: December 11, 2012, 01:16:35 PM »
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I'd be happy to. The current set of files represents only the hardware which I had access to and could test by myself. If you could point me to working configurations (e.g. what goes into the "device=" line of the respective Storage/NetInterfaces config file), I'll update the demo version and the release version archives.

These to devices:
3c589.device (3Com Etherlink III PCMCIA cards)
hydra.device (Hydra Systems' Amiganet cards)
norway.device (Norway ethernet add-on for Highway USB controller)
x-surf.device (Individual Computers' X-Surf cards)

I haven't tested them with Roadshow, but they do work without any tricks with old amitcp at least. I may be able to test at least some of them later, if needed.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2012, 01:18:56 PM by pVC »
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #352 on: December 11, 2012, 01:20:10 PM »
Does it work with poseidon usb-ethernet adapters? IIRC there was some problem on OS4 using Roadshow+Poseidon because it was mandatory to use a file based device (and in contrast Poseidon created the network device in memory so choosing it was not possible)
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #353 on: December 11, 2012, 03:49:26 PM »
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So, without further ado, I'll go back to getting the missing pieces on the board. Not that there are many pieces to speak of, which are not exactly missing, but you get the general idea ;)

Wonderful! Hope no last minute blockers get in your way. :-)
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #354 on: December 11, 2012, 05:48:36 PM »
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You can tweak the device configuration file, increasing the number of read/write requests as necessary. When I performed my initial testing back in 2001, I found that the default settings were too conservative. Once I turned them up to 32 (used to be 10), performance went through the roof.

I'm curious about the setup process. The installation script should put everything on the boot volume, but you still need to edit the networking device configuration. I know how to do that, but is there something you think could be done better? It's not exactly user-friendly :-/


I'll give that a try! I never ran the installer, just extracted the files to a temp place and made some assigns, copied and checked the config file and then ran the startup command.

I think I prefer the stack not to have a gui, maybe a prefs editior for those less experienced.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #355 on: December 11, 2012, 09:39:34 PM »
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Does it work with poseidon usb-ethernet adapters? IIRC there was some problem on OS4 using Roadshow+Poseidon because it was mandatory to use a file based device (and in contrast Poseidon created the network device in memory so choosing it was not possible)


Whatever it is, it is AOS4 introduced horror (which can be worked around by creating a dummy zero byte file of same name as the memory-created device in DEVS:Networks). As the Roadshow config is text based, it is easy to configure it for USB based devices. I successfully have tried the Roadshow demo since 2003 (for use with Norway, later for the USB adapters).

Roadshow is the most performant TCP/IP stack I've seen. With the Deneb and ASIX USB adapter I reached transfer rates of over 1200 KB/sec, if I remember it correctly (measured with TCPSpeed).

Congrats to Olsen for finally releasing it.
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« Reply #356 on: December 11, 2012, 10:04:25 PM »
Don't forget prism.device
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« Reply #357 on: December 12, 2012, 04:38:29 AM »
WOOT! I've definitely been looking forward to this, thank you! :pint:

FWIW, I'm no expert, and it took about 10 minutes to have IBrowse up and running with my A4066 (just a slight edit of the Ariadne interface). Lack of a GUI is really not a problem at all.

I'll try tweaking the config over the next few days, then run some tcpspeed tests against Miami. So far it works well - noticed my MP3 streams don't hang during the initial buffering process, as they often do with the other 2 stacks.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #358 on: December 12, 2012, 04:48:49 AM »
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It should include preconfigured interface files for cnet.device/g-rex/prometheus/xsurf/... otherwise users will complain.


And one for whatever Mediator+PCI Ethernet card uses.

(Maybe it already comes with one, I did not look)
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #359 on: December 12, 2012, 04:57:25 AM »
Where are the timing tests?

You know I can't live without my timing tests :)
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