WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is

[Karlos]

I love on Amiga that apps are seperate from the OS.

I'm sure you got that backwards. AmigaOS (and it's offshoots) are the only OSes I have where an application passes chunks of it's own data directly to the OS and vice versa and with each other.

Technically speaking, there's no separation between OS and applications at any meaningful level whatsoever.

You can install them anywhere you like too. You could put an app in your L: assign if you wanted...

[the_leander]

People just keep saying, "ignore" the problem!!  

I have to ask, is English your second language?

Because nowhere in this thread has anyone said "ignore it".

I still think it sucks if the OS goes down I have to reinstall every app.

Again, rolling backups. You can back up not just Windows, but everything that you installed.

In the event of a catastrophic failure, such as running in an Admin account on a system that is connected to the net (it's only a matter of time). You can restore from your backup everything, including your apps.

I love on Amiga that apps are seperate from the OS.

If I want to install a different version of the OS or test out Workbench replacements, that has ZERO effect on my programs partition.  

You do know you can have partitions on x86 systems too, right? And that there are apps that are designed to run as standalone for windows, yes? Even big name applications.

The "united" registry of crap-dome is a bad design.

You repeating a lie does not make it true.

Other OS's that use a database to store key settings, hardware config details and file locations for quick access include but are not limited to:

BeOS, MacOSX, Linux, BSD, IRIX, Solaris.

Having a database for these things is sound system design. That some third parties play fast and loose with it is not Microsofts fault any more than it would be for any other OS producer.

That it isn't easy to understand to the layman also isn't a bad thing: It scares off some people who might otherwise be tempted to start messing with settings.

[Arkhan]

I was joking in response to a different post.
People just keep saying, "ignore" the problem!!  

No we don't.  We say there isn't a problem.  You're making it a problem.  You're grasping at straws and bitching about nonsense.  Complaining about the UAC is like complaining about the child-locks on a car.  turn them off and stfu.

What you're doing is the same as popping the hood on a car and going FUCK MAN, THERE IS A MESS OF METAL AND WIRES AND THINGS INSIDE HERE.  WHAT A SHITTY DESIGN.  ITS INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

and then reaching in and messing with it and going

MY CAR DRIVES FUNNY.  THIS CAR MAKER IS STUPID.  

I already have said I use Windows 98% of the time. It is my OS of choice.  I still think it sucks if the OS goes down I have to reinstall every app.

It doesnt have to work like that, you just refuse to learn how to remedy your problem.  try lolRAID, or backups, or you know, not touching the registry maybe.

I love on Amiga that apps are seperate from the OS.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

The "united" registry of crap-dome is a bad design.  The solution people keep saying is stick your head in the sand.  Doesn't make for much conversation does it?

What do you know about OS designs?  Nothing.

We aren't saying stick your head in the sand.

yet again, we are saying.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM.  IT IS ONLY A PROBLEM IF YOU'RE CLUELESS AND TAMPER WITH CONFUSING THINGS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE AUTOMAGICALLY HANDLED BY THE OPERATING SYSTEM.

[AmigaHeretic]

I'm sure you got that backwards. AmigaOS (and it's offshoots) are the only OSes I have where an application passes chunks of it's own data directly to the OS and vice versa and with each other.

Technically speaking, there's no separation between OS and applications at any meaningful level whatsoever.

You can install them anywhere you like too. You could put an app in your L: assign if you wanted...

I don't mean in MP sense or anything.
I mean in a more physical sense.  


How f-ing cool would it be to have it in Windows like it is in Amiga?

I could have all my games and apps installed on a portable HD.  Take it with me and plug it in a friends house and be able to run all "my" apps from "my" drive.  You can do this with Amiga.

You can do this in Windows if you can find portable apps.  Which is what I do for the apps I can find.

[Arkhan]

How f-ing cool would it be to have it in Windows like it is in Amiga?

I could have all my games and apps installed on a portable HD.  Take it with me and plug it in a friends house and be able to run all "my" apps from "my" drive.  You can do this with Amiga.

You can do this in Windows if you can find portable apps.  Which is what I do for the apps I can find.

alot of games work like this nowadays.  I know WoW does for sure.

why do you want to run apps on your friends computer anyways.  If you're with your friend you probably have better things to do.

especially if it's a girl.

[halvliter'n]

@AmigaHeretic
"It's really convenient when a friend plugs in his USB thumb drive to quickly grab a file and you have to reconfigure your whole OS."

Yes it is, so therefore I say, let me fix it.

@Karlos
"You do it "virtually every day" and yet you don't remember what it is?"

Perhaps the wrong choice of words, the point was that i almost always use the admin account so I avoid the hassle.

@the leander
"Within a limited user account:

Right click and select "Run as Admin".

Type in your admin password and you're sorted. This goes for drivers, program installation and PITA games whose anti cheating (punkbuster etc) kit requires admin rights to work properly."
 
Too much unnecessary stress.



Regardless, the best computer is Amiga.

[Arkhan]

 
Too much unnecessary stress.

Typing out your waste of a reply was more work than doing the admin PW thing..

Regardless, the best computer WAS Amiga.

Fixed that for you.

[the_leander]

I could have all my games and apps installed on a portable HD.  Take it with me and plug it in a friends house and be able to run all "my" apps from "my" drive.  You can do this with Amiga.

Try that with WordWorth, or any other application that installs assigns and libs necessary for it to run on a system that hasn't had it installed. Watch as they fall on their arse.

The fact is, you're talking utter nonsense. Especially when it comes to the more complex applications the Amiga has.

There are plenty of apps out there, including big name apps that offer "portable" versions, as Arkhan says, a lot of games are going this way.

[halvliter'n]

Typing out your waste of a reply was more work than doing the admin PW thing..


Regardless, the best computer WAS Amiga.                      

Fixed that for you.

I still think it's the best computer. The Amiga is about the user should have control on the computer, not the opposite.

[the_leander]

Too much unnecessary stress.

Reducing your risk to malware and every once in a while having to type in an admin password counts as stress these days?

Regardless, the best computer WAS Amiga.

And not even the best in it's class.

[Arkhan]

There are plenty of apps out there, including big name apps that offer "portable" versions, as Arkhan says, a lot of games are going this way.

the reason for this is mostly because of the patch process most games do now.

You install the base game and have patches over the net.  So they try to make the game install-free.  The base game install is usually just copying files from one thing (CD) to the other (HDD directory).

[halvliter'n]

Reducing your risk to malware and every once in a while having to type in an admin password counts as stress these days?

Well, if it happens then I allow my antivirus and malware programs to fix it.

[the_leander]

Well, if it happens then I allow my antivirus and malware programs to fix it.

I'll let you in on a little secret here.

Pay close attention to this bit:

If your system is compromised by anything even remotely modern in terms of malware, the chances of you being able to remove the infection is somewhere between no chance and nada.

When you get hit, the only way to genuinely be sure of it being clear is to do a clean install from behind a router or hardware firewall.

By running as Admin, you make the malware writers job a damn sight easier since you offer them complete open access to all the recesses of your computer.

It is a truly massive vector for infection you are exposing.

[Karlos]

Well, if it happens then I allow my antivirus and malware programs to fix it.

You are making a blatant mistake in assuming they are even aware of the intrusion. New threats invariably appear before updates to combat said threats.

As the_leander says, if you are running as admin, you are taking an unnecessary risk. If you are admin, then almost every process you create is running as admin. That includes any malware you pick up.

The amiga is a single user platform, but the majority of other systems employ a multiuser model for a damned good reason.

[AmigaHeretic]

alot of games work like this nowadays.  I know WoW does for sure.

why do you want to run apps on your friends computer anyways.  If you're with your friend you probably have better things to do.

especially if it's a girl.

On my thumbdrive I have Photoshop, Visual Studio 2008, FF, Opera, Maya, and several games.

Portable photoshop and maya are really handy to take with you.  My genuine install of Maya I think actually starts up slower then the portable version.

[Arkhan]

Did you buy all these softwares, or did you lolpirate them.