WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is

[Arkhan]

Wasting your time?  You choose to post in here.  Besides it's Microsofts fault you have to respond.  They make that craptastic OS not me.

Nothing craptastic about it.  I use it to develop games, play games, make music, and troll teh interwebs, no probrem.

I point out flaws and you guys go.  "Yeah, there are flaws but here's how to work around them."  For every flaw there is a 23 step work around.  See, MS is perfect!

What flaws? You pointed out COMPLAINTS.   Petty, narrow minded complaints no less.

I don't think you guys are idiots I'm sure you know what a piece of crap the registry is.  Only a blind person wouldn't know there are 1 billion google hits for "registry is garbage"

The majority of humanity is stupid.

Yet, what kind of discussion do I get from your guys? Uhh, well, just pretend it isn't there.  Great solution. :huh::crazy:

Pretending it isnt there is perfectly fine.  It wasn't made for extreme user touching.  If you never open/touch the registry in 10 years, you'll be fine.

It's only a problem if you make it one.

To everybody else its "thing doing stuff that I don't need to bother with".  Then they go do their business and walk away.

[AmigaHeretic]

Nothing craptastic about it.

It's only a problem if you make it one.

To everybody else its "thing doing stuff that I don't need to bother with".  Then they go do their business and walk away.

Nope. Not unless you want to fix something.  I guess an expert like you just reinstalls Windows when they have an issue?  Oh, wait, you've never had a problem. Right?

[the_leander]

Nope. Not unless you want to fix something.  I guess an expert like you just reinstalls Windows when they have an issue?  Oh, wait, you've never had a problem. Right?

One of the really nice features that Windows has is it's repair option - the ability to roll back to your last previously known good settings.

It's so good that even Linux distributions are now offering similar facilities that are every bit as user friendly.

And of course, there are always rolling backups for when you really do stuff up.

You may wish to look into these.

As I said to stefcep2, it's all about competence.

As for UAC. Most Linux distros I know expect you to run in a limited user account by default and require you to type in the root password to do things like installing software or altering key files. It's only annoying because you're actually being required to do things in a safe manner.

Running as Admin/root is retarded beyond words.

[AmigaHeretic]

One of the really nice features that Windows has is it's repair option - the ability to roll back to your last previously known good settings.

It's so good that even Linux distributions are now offering similar facilities that are every bit as user friendly.

And of course, there are always rolling backups for when you really do stuff up.

You may wish to look into these.

You're joking right?

http://tinyurl.com/38xmwna

[AmigaHeretic]

Running as Admin/root is retarded beyond words.

Yeah, I mean why should "I" be in control of my computer?  How "retarded" of me.

[the_leander]

You're joking right?

http://tinyurl.com/38xmwna

ZOMG, because an option doesn't always work all the time and in all situations WINDOHS IS TEH EBUL!!!!!

Grow up. There are always going to be situations where restoring a system won't fix a major system hosing. Which is why I stated that Rolling backups were there for when things went seriously wrong.

Yeah, I mean why should "I" be in control of my computer?  How "retarded" of me.

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Yes, you are retarded, firstly for not running in a limited user account which is a major security issue, and for believing that having to type in an admin password to do potentially system stuffing things somehow renders you out of control.

It's flids like you who make botnet owners happy in their pants.

[Karlos]

Yeah, I mean why should "I" be in control of my computer?  How "retarded" of me.

You are in control, so long as you have access to the root account or sudo. Running almost everything in a limited user context limits the damage you, or a bad application or any combination of the two, can do.

You only need root access when making changes that are potentially dangerous or have other far reaching consequences for your system.

With root comes the power to totally ruin your system with a few keystrokes.

After all, as with any user, you'd be the first to blame the system when you wipe it out by accidentally ... the whole thing.

Wanting to have ultimate authority at all times without thinking about the consequences can indeed be a retarded thing. Would you walk around with a loaded gun in your pants with the safety permanently off?

Running as root at all times is about as sensible within the context of computer use.

[Arkhan]

Nope. Not unless you want to fix something.  I guess an expert like you just reinstalls Windows when they have an issue?  Oh, wait, you've never had a problem. Right?

I've been working with Windows since I was 7.  15 years of dealing with windows since pre-1995 and having a great time with it, fixing tons of issues for myself and others.... yeah I guess you could say I'm an expert.  More so now since I get paid to lolwindows.

See, when there are problems, there are utilities and methods that are really easy to do to fix the problem.

Hamfisting the registry is not one of these methods.  Useful methods are usually required to undo registry-rape.

Fixing the "system restore not working" is also easy.  If you spent less time hamfisting the registry, and more time understand how windows operates, you might fair better.

Most of the people with problems in windows are the same people who click YES to everything on the internet and wonder why they have 32 toolbars and can only see 2 lines of a webpage at a time.

Also running root 24/7 in Linux is dumb.  When you flid it up as root, you've flidded it up for good my man.

PS: I haven't done a system restore in like, 3 years.

I did have to image my install and move to new HDD when the other HDD failed, but that doesn't count.

[Trev]

1. Windows Genuine Advantage

I agree with the sentiment, if not the reasoning. All software should be free of DRM.

But to make many changes, you need to edit the Registry, and it's a tough, dangerous thing to do.

No, it's not, but if you don't know what you're doing, it's best to leave it alone. That's a life lesson we all learn as children, yes?

3. ActiveX Controls

I'm going to sound like an a**hole here, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. :-) ActiveX is a marketing term used to describe user interface elements built using COM. Internet Explorer is a consumer of COM components, just like many other Windows applications. For what it's worth, Microsoft has been trying to replace COM with .NET for the last ten years. Neither of those technologies is specifically tied to the "web," however. The Internet is not the end all, be all of computing.

4. User Account Control

I'm assuming you allow strangers to wander into your home because door chimes, locks, and doors themselves are cumbersome and inconvenient. And you always run as root. Regardless, you can disable UAC completely if necessary.

EDIT: Incidentally, I only rebuild my primary Windows system when I replace the motherboard (and CPU and anything else that might be upgraded as a result), which is roughly every three years. I've been working professionally with enterprise-level Windows architecture for roughly 15 years, but that's neither here nor there. Anyone with access to Wikipedia (yes, it's more accurate than you think), Microsoft's web site, or a library can sort Windows fact from Windows fiction.

[AmigaHeretic]

I've been working with Windows since I was 7.  15 years of dealing with windows since pre-1995 and having a great time with it, fixing tons of issues for myself and others.... yeah I guess you could say I'm an expert.  More so now since I get paid to lolwindows.

You're probably so en-grained in Windows you can't see a different way.  

Look at the situation with Windows.  I install Office, Visual Studio, Bioshock, my Zune software, Money, Streets and Trips, Song Smith.   (All MS products I choose so you can't blame 3rd parties ;-) )


Let say, Windows get's f-ed up, Windows restore won't work, etc.

Does it really make sense that all your Apps should be so tied into the OS that if you have to reinstall Windows you have to reinstall and reset up every single application on your computer?

To me apps should be separate from the OS.  That's one of the biggest fails of the registry and the MS philosophy.


I believe you should be able to blow away your OS, do a reinstall, and have your program remain mostly unaffected. ( of course you'll always need to do any updates that programs may have required that are newer than the OS install disc/DL had)

[Trev]

To me apps should be separate from the OS

That would be ideal, but it's a problem that's not limited to Windows. It is possible to write and install self-contained Windows applications, even ones that--*gasp*--use the registry. (You can isolate and virtualize access to the registry in a way that's transparent to applications. Really, you can do whatever you want. A developer is only limited by their own imagination.)

[halvliter'n]

So, if you use updated firewall and ativirus programs it's not enough? I almost always use the admin account, I can not be bothered to switch back and forth all the time.

And by the way, the Windows file structure and user friendliness is grape in comparison with the Amiga.

[Karlos]

So, if you use updated firewall and ativirus programs it's not enough? I almost always use the admin account, I can not be bothered to switch back and forth all the time.

And by the way, the Windows file structure and user friendliness is grape in comparison with the Amiga.

Switch back and forth to do what? Seriously, what everyday tasks do people do that requires it?

[mikeymike]

I'm wondering just how many of you contributing to this topic should know better by now.

Pick a modern OS.  List the disadvantages of it (if you can't, you're either biassed beyond belief and/or you don't know enough about the OS).  No OS is or ever will be perfect.

Shock horror, there are sucky aspects about Windows.  What a NEWSFLASH.

And just to point out one flaw in an argument used on the last page of posts, when you've got the vast majority of people on the planet using one product, finding x thousand people with a problem about one of its features is hardly "OMG! the implementation of this feature sucks so badly!".  That's like one percent of the total userbase.

What are you arguing about this for?

[Arkhan]

You're probably so en-grained in Windows you can't see a different way.  

lol, actually I grew up with Amiga 500, a 286-->386--->beyond, a redhat machine, and even for a time, a mac.

now I use Windows and Linux.  I dont use mac cause that shits too pricey to be worth the lack of use.

I just think your complaints are pretty boring and girly.

every OS is guilty of losing apps if you don't back it all up and something goes horribly wrong.

Especially Linux, if you hamfist as root 24/7

[halvliter'n]

Switch back and forth to do what? Seriously, what everyday tasks do people do that requires it?

I do not really remember. But every time I try to update, install or uninstall drivers and programs, I get told that i must have administrative rights, and it's virtually every day.
But others who use my computer get not use the admin account of course, if I am not inattentive then.