The X1000 will be > $2,225

[dammy]

Nice the see the rumour mill in full motion. Lets all wait an see.

You mean like to have A-EON publish on their webs site a clarification?  Or even have Trevor post on here a clarification of what he said?  I'm sure he could spare a minute and do it on his cellphone if he wasn't near a laptop and hotspot.

This is clearly a PR disaster.  If the "North of 1500" was indeed correct, then I expect we are not going to hear from Trevor or A-EON.  If less then 1500 is correct, why aren't they on here stating such?  I think their lack of input is very telling, don't you?

[dammy]

hate to say it, but even at 300 dollars, the only people who would buy it would be amiga enthusiasts anyways.

For $300, that would generate sales from the outside wanting to see what it was all about or outsiders wanting to run their preferred OS on it.  For "North of 1500" GBP, you will get few to none.

[DAX]

@dammy
Hyperionmp quote at (my) post 42 is what they clarified this morning.

[dammy]

@dammy
Hyperionmp quote at (my) post 42 is what they clarified this morning.

And he (Ben?) did not bother to confirm or deny that "North of 1500" remark.   To me, a lawyer refusing to refute a statement can only mean one thing, it was stated correctly.

[Karlos]

Given the cost involved in designing and producing a new hardware platform and the need to make some profit out of it (if there is to be any continuation of the effort), I can believe the 1500+ mark. Especially also given the comparatively small production run sizes. Trevor's own words were to the effect of "I can't see it costing less than that".

[DAX]

@Karlos
sounds reasonable, but what if a better deal comes up and they save some money? Trevor couldn't know that yesterday right? and  then the other statement I posted was made afterward, in any case, I believe they WILL try to shave it as much as they can, but to really know we can only wait and see as the only official reply (not "estimate" those can change with new deals) was "I DON'T KNOW"

[drHirudo]

@Karlos
sounds reasonable, but what if a better deal comes up and they save some money? Trevor couldn't know that yesterday right? and  then the other statement I posted was made afterward, in any case, I believe they WILL try to shave it as much as they can, but to really know we can only wait and see as the only official reply (not "estimate" those can change with new deals) was "I DON'T KNOW"

Back in the days, Commodore shaved some parts of the Amigas in order to save production costs. They removed the MIDI, so the Atari ST had a chance and established there. They removed the color modulator in the Amiga 500, so people were forced to buy RF modulators, which were unstable and broke a lot. I hope they don't save too much money on good parts of the X1000.

[DAX]

@drHirudo
I didn't mean that, they can save on bulk orders of several other parts, even Verisys might get better deals for certain mobo parts, anyway, we know they'll look into it...

[Karlos]

@Karlos
sounds reasonable, but what if a better deal comes up and they save some money? Trevor couldn't know that yesterday right? and  then the other statement I posted was made afterward, in any case, I believe they WILL try to shave it as much as they can, but to really know we can only wait and see as the only official reply (not "estimate" those can change with new deals) was "I DON'T KNOW"

I don't want to sound like I'm peeing on your cornflakes but there are a lot of "what if's" here. At best, perhaps the 1500 figure was his best guess. It would be nice to think that the X1000 will be available for less than 1500 when released but I wouldn't advise people pin their hopes on it.

[dammy]

Given the cost involved in designing and producing a new hardware platform and the need to make some profit out of it (if there is to be any continuation of the effort), I can believe the 1500+ mark. Especially also given the comparatively small production run sizes. Trevor's own words were to the effect of "I can't see it costing less than that".

I can see making a few bucks off @ system to repay R&D/T&E costs.  Unless this SoC CPU is costing them in greater then 1000 GBP @ unit, 1500 GBP is just excessive IMO.

[DAX]

I don't want to sound like I'm peeing on your cornflakes but there are a lot of "what if's" here. At best, perhaps the 1500 figure was his best guess. It would be nice to think that the X1000 will be available for less than 1500 when released but I wouldn't advise people pin their hopes on it.

the "what ifs" (for how minor they might be) were introduced by Hyperionmp statement made this morning, and I think the now classic 1500 stance is what to expect, but alas we cannot argue on the "wait and see" situation.

[dentunes]

It was interesting to hear them mention they wanted to maintain profit for down the track. When Microsoft entered the console arena they intended on losing money on round one. This helped sell units and line them up for round two which they have executed extremely well.

Obviously, this is a very different market though for this to make round two, they wouldn't want to set the price too high.

[sandpiper]

Let's say the X1000 hits the street at 1,500. Certainly pricey but I will gladly sell my µA1 to get into the market. I am sure other A1 XE, SE and µA1 will do the same. What do used A1s go for these days?

[Karlos]

Obviously, this is a very different market though for this to make round two, they wouldn't want to set the price too high.

Well, to be fair, all major console manufacturers have followed that route, recouping the cost in software sales. Furthermore, Microsoft can afford to make a loss on hardware, given the vast amounts of wealth they have at their disposal.

I really don't think it's a reasonable comparison here. Unless Trevor is a massively minted eccentric, I just don't see that model working here.

[Karlos]

Let's say the X1000 hits the street at 1,500. Certainly pricey but I will gladly sell my µA1 to get into the market. I am sure other A1 XE, SE and µA1 will do the same. What do used A1s go for these days?

That depends. If you had the choice of a second hand A1 or a new Sam, which would you pick? The new 460 board doesn't look half bad.

[dentunes]

Well, to be fair, all major console manufacturers have followed that route, recouping the cost in software sales. Furthermore, Microsoft can afford to make a loss on hardware, given the vast amounts of wealth they have at their disposal.

I really don't think it's a reasonable comparison here. Unless Trevor is a massively minted eccentric, I just don't see that model working here.

Fair call.

One model that has worked well is having one place to shop for all of one company's products along with other avenues. Dell, Apple for example. One marketing strategy for the whole range. From entry level, intermediate to professional. Take Apple, for example, Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro.

I manage a music instrument retail store and we have that philosophy across our range. "First guitar", next guitar, professional and so on through all product categories.

Currently, Amiga products are sourced from all over the place, even new products - unless I am missing something. Where is the Amiga store? A-eon produce one new model and create a whole company/site for it. I don't get that. Then again, I am not running any companies hehe