How will Hyperion continue the momentum?

[runequester]

Well aren't you a little optimist.



That reminds me - How do Hyperion actually make money? The OS4 market is small as hell. I know they ported games over to amiga in the 90's, but that can't have lasted, surely? For all we know it could be an Amiga Inc situation where the company only has it's doors open for money laundering, but with a much better cover up.

converting pc games to linux and mac, as far as I know

[runequester]

People whinge about the hardware not making the Amiga what it is; which leaves pretty much the OS and the "look and feel". I say its simply the look and feel that makes an Amiga an Amiga so why not exploit that.

Make a new Amiga window manager for Linux and sell "Amiga - powered by Linux" (tm) systems instead. Then companies can produce Amiga/PowerPC or Amiga/Intel or Amiga/...

Value add by making the Linux underneath configurable entirely from the Amiga UI. There are some awful tools in Gnome/KDE for configuring the important bits of Linux that could do with a nice bit of Amigafying. Workspaces are nice under Gnome, but it'd be nice to be able to drag screens down sometimes (and not have to use Compiz to do it!)

But concentrate on strengths; the UI is fairly intuitive so make it work with Linux. Don't try and manufacture custom hardware because it'll always be second fiddle to the dedicated hardware companies. Don't try to create an entire OS from scratch because it'll never have the diverse hardware support that the existing players have, nor will you ever get the major application developers porting applications.

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So basically AROS with more developers?

[EvilGuy]

@EvilGuy
Dude, I practically got my head chopped off by the Friendens for saying something like that in 2004. Welcome to 2010.

rotfl. Yeah, imagine if they'd pulled their fingers out then and did the sensible thing rather then pushing outdated, expensive hardware. But I shouldn't blame them for their fetish, some people like shoes, others ladies underwear, Hyperion & co like PowerPC.

I played with the AmigaWM on SunOS in '96, it had screen dragging and everything. Very nice. If there were an Amiga company around they could've picked it up and made it something special, rather than just an oddity.

[Hell Labs]

rotfl. Yeah, imagine if they'd pulled their fingers out then and did the sensible thing rather then pushing outdated, expensive hardware. But I shouldn't blame them for their fetish, some people like shoes, others ladies underwear, Hyperion & co like PowerPC.

I played with the AmigaWM on SunOS in '96, it had screen dragging and everything. Very nice. If there were an Amiga company around they could've picked it up and made it something special, rather than just an oddity.

If they binned the X window system, and developed new APIs, like NeXT (apple) did, i'd give them 200% support. If it was just a window manager then no way.

[EvilGuy]

So basically AROS with more developers?

Yeah, pretty much :-)

[quarkx]

The LAST thing we need is another "Linux" powered OS. What is the last count? 4 to 6  million different "flavours" of linux? Because no body can decide on ONE. Lets face it, if you love linux -fine, but many people despise linux and are physically repulsed by people who insist on bashing it into us every single chance they can get. Its worse than some religious zealots who go door to door.

Why do people insist on being lazy and use some form of linux instead of making a whole new OS? This just leads to more Crappy Linux distributions. If you guys want linux to finally take out Windows, PERFECT ONE, ONE Linux, but to have billions of crappy linux distros, and then try to port a nice Amiga band-aid over to it, is not  the answer.
Programmers that use linux have no imagination or skill what so ever, they are just building and trying to get credit for other people' hard work. You want to impress me then make a new OS from the ground up.

Yes, I am an Anti- Apple fanboy, but I can put up with the Apple fanboys. Its the Linux Zealots that make my blood boil. For they can't even decide on one distro, but have to fight over millions, and they don't realize that their fancy distro won't work on anyone elses hardware, but their own. It makes me sick.

[Hell Labs]

The LAST thing we need is another "Linux" powered OS. What is the last count? 4 to 6  million different "flavours" of linux? Because no body can decide on ONE. Lets face it, if you love linux -fine, but many people despise linux and are physically repulsed by people who insist on bashing it into us every single chance they can get. Its worse than some religious zealots who go door to door.

Why do people insist on being lazy and use some form of linux instead of making a whole new OS? This just leads to more Crappy Linux distributions. If you guys want linux to finally take out Windows, PERFECT ONE, ONE Linux, but to have billions of crappy linux distros, and then try to port a nice Amiga band-aid over to it, is not  the answer.
Programmers that use linux have no imagination or skill what so ever, they are just building and trying to get credit for other people' hard work. You want to impress me then make a new OS from the ground up.

Yes, I am an Anti- Apple fanboy, but I can put up with the Apple fanboys. Its the Linux Zealots that make my blood boil. For they can't even decide on one distro, but have to fight over millions, and they don't realize that their fancy distro won't work on anyone elses hardware, but their own. It makes me sick.

Uhh isn't Ubuntu the distro that pretty much runs on anything modern, and the most popular distro? It seems they are doing pretty well.

Oh, and there's arch linux which is pretty much a "roll your own distro" kit disguised as an operating system. to be honest linux is the only OS out there that has as much (actually far more) Customization options as Workbench.

[Karlos]

The LAST thing we need is another "Linux" powered OS. What is the last count? 4 to 6  million different "flavours" of linux? Because no body can decide on ONE. Lets face it, if you love linux -fine, but many people despise linux and are physically repulsed by people who insist on bashing it into us every single chance they can get. Its worse than some religious zealots who go door to door.

Why do people insist on being lazy and use some form of linux instead of making a whole new OS? This just leads to more Crappy Linux distributions. If you guys want linux to finally take out Windows, PERFECT ONE, ONE Linux, but to have billions of crappy linux distros, and then try to port a nice Amiga band-aid over to it, is not  the answer.
Programmers that use linux have no imagination or skill what so ever, they are just building and trying to get credit for other people' hard work. You want to impress me then make a new OS from the ground up.

Yes, I am an Anti- Apple fanboy, but I can put up with the Apple fanboys. Its the Linux Zealots that make my blood boil. For they can't even decide on one distro, but have to fight over millions, and they don't realize that their fancy distro won't work on anyone elses hardware, but their own. It makes me sick.

:roflmao:

There is pretty much only one linux. Distributions vary but that's basically which package manager, window manager and default packages are included out of the box. Distros are just various groups ideas of what should be put together for a default installation.

At work, we use fedora, at home I use ubuntu. There are a few differences in how certain things work but nothing too drastic. If you've used one linux distro, you can pretty much use any other. There may be millions, but if you aren't comfortable with that, pick a big, well-supported one.

[EvilGuy]

The LAST thing we need is another "Linux" powered OS.

That's like saying the last thing we need is another "amiga" powered OS. There is 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.1 .. oh so many :-)

And it doesn't have to be Linux. Pick any other OS that someone can license with source,
and put the Amiga UI on top of it. It could be BSD, or Minix, or QNX or Windows CE (), or ...

Why do people insist on being lazy and use some form of linux instead of making a whole new OS?

Lazy? Pragmatic. You are NEVER going to get an Amiga system supporting 10% of the hardware that Linux supports, so why not leverage Linux's strong points and fix the weaknesses?

Programmers that use linux have no imagination or skill what so ever, they are just building and trying to get credit for other people' hard work. You want to impress me then make a new OS from the ground up.

Its this sort of sanctimonious BS that is killing the Amiga. Well, killed the Amiga, because the only new hardware is based on a design that is years old, followed by an OS that is ancient (talk about a band-aid solution, there you have it, AmigaOS4) with support for a
processor family that is pretty much dead on the desktop. Yay.

For they can't even decide on one distro, but have to fight over millions, and they don't realize that their fancy distro won't work on anyone elses hardware, but their own. It makes me sick.

Choice is bad. Diverse hardware support is bad. A modern OS is bad. That's what happens when you spend too long drinking the Amiga/Hyperion kool-aid. Maybe your sickness is related to the amount of kool-aid you've consumed over the years.

[quarkx]

That's like saying the last thing we need is another "amiga" powered OS. There is 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.1 .. oh so many :-)

And it doesn't have to be Linux. Pick any other OS that someone can license with source,
and put the Amiga UI on top of it. It could be BSD, or Minix, or QNX or Windows CE (), or ...

WHY? why do you half to piggy back on the work of others? Are we (the communitity) so incompitent and incapable of creating something from scratch? or God Forbid, Port the Amiga OS over to X86?

Its this sort of sanctimonious BS that is killing the Amiga. Well, killed the Amiga, because the only new hardware is based on a design that is years old, followed by an OS that is ancient (talk about a band-aid solution, there you have it, AmigaOS4) with support for a
processor family that is pretty much dead on the desktop. Yay.



Choice is bad. Diverse hardware support is bad. A modern OS is bad. That's what happens when you spend too long drinking the Amiga/Hyperion kool-aid. Maybe your sickness is related to the amount of kool-aid you've consumed over the years.

Hey, if you read ANY of my other posts, I am not a Hyperion supporter. They are lumped in with the 90% of developers (either hardware or software) that is just bending the Amiga community over and taking full advantage of them.

But I guess it boils down to what YOU think an Amiga is. To me an Amiga is a computer made by Commodore with a Motorola processor and custom chips, coupled with a great OS. I look at it as the same as a 1969 'Hemi 'Cuda. It was the artful combination of hardware and software. NO emulator or linux shell can recreate that combination, just like no kit car can be a '69 Cuda, no mater how close it looks.

[EvilGuy]

WHY? why do you half to piggy back on the work of others? Are we (the communitity) so incompitent and incapable of creating something from scratch? or God Forbid, Port the Amiga OS over to X86?

Going it alone - in a community that everyday gets smaller - will simply give you what has happened in the last ten years. Overpriced, outdated hardware, little software changes and no applications. Look how long its taken Amiga developers to port a modern web browser.

But I guess it boils down to what YOU think an Amiga is. To me an Amiga is a computer made by Commodore with a Motorola processor and custom chips, coupled with a great OS. I look at it as the same as a 1969 'Hemi 'Cuda. It was the artful combination of hardware and software. NO emulator or linux shell can recreate that combination, just like no kit car can be a '69 Cuda, no mater how close it looks.

Amiga to me is a fast, clean interface which doesn't get in the way of doing what you want to do. The only way to share that with the masses is to go mainstream and support hardware that is available in 90% of the worlds PCs and forget about the PowerPC fetish that the die-hards have.

If people want to spend ANOTHER ten years arguing that and getting NOWHERE then Hyperion seem to be going the right way about it. Otherwise, leverage what others have done in computing in the last twenty years and pull the Amiga into the 21st century.

[runequester]

Yes, I am an Anti- Apple fanboy, but I can put up with the Apple fanboys. Its the Linux Zealots that make my blood boil. For they can't even decide on one distro, but have to fight over millions, and they don't realize that their fancy distro won't work on anyone elses hardware, but their own. It makes me sick.

Do you even have any idea what you are typing any more?

Linux will run on X86, 68K, powerpc, your playstation 2, embedded devices, ARM processors, mobile phones, a few wrist watches and just about anything else that it can be squeezed unto. In fact, I have a hard time finding something that will run on a wider range of hardware.

As for going it alone.. how is that coming along for the amiga again? What exactly do we have to show for the past 15 years of efforts?

Fuck all. THats what

[quarkx]

Do you even have any idea what you are typing any more?

Linux will run on X86, 68K, powerpc, your playstation 2, embedded devices, ARM processors, mobile phones, a few wrist watches and just about anything else that it can be squeezed unto. In fact, I have a hard time finding something that will run on a wider range of hardware.

As for going it alone.. how is that coming along for the amiga again? What exactly do we have to show for the past 15 years of efforts?

Fuck all. THats what

Have you EVER tried compiling some Linux distros? I have tried dozens on all sorts of hardware, only to have them crash or no compile properly (ever tried "tiny linux" on a P1 200 processor with 64 megs of ram - good luck.) Hours spent waisted on crappy distros that crash on re-boot
Sure, we can argue on linux for the NEXT 10 years, as I have heard it all for the LAST 10 years from the linux Zealots (and it is no more "Mainstream" then it was then, Maybe a few percent more), but what does Linux have to do with Amiga- absolutely nothing, other then a "pretend" Amiga GUI.
It seems like EVERY time we talk about ANY OS, the Linux boys want to CRAM it on us (just look through any thread on this very board for the last 10 years). Every year I try at least a dozen times to use linux and the only ones that I can even get to work are Abuntu and I do try to use Amigaforever, but I give up on it in a few hours.

The story (as I understand them) is we HAD an Amiga OS ported to the x86, but somehow the creator got stiffed out of any royalties by the German distributor- Haage & Partner. So no further development was done on it.

[runequester]

Have you EVER tried compiling some Linux distros? I have tried dozens on all sorts of hardware, only to have them crash or no compile properly (ever tried "tiny linux" on a P1 200 processor with 64 megs of ram - good luck.)

Who the hell compiles from scratch anymore? Plop in a CD and install it. Or hell, buy it preinstalled from Dell, like the windows guys do.
Ive been running linux for years now, on a few different computers and each time its been running just fine out of the box.


The reason linux keeps coming up is simple: AROS is the only thing amiga has right now that actually is going anywhere.


as an aside, check netcraft.com. This website is running off linux

[tone007]

Have you EVER tried compiling some Linux distros? I have tried dozens on all sorts of hardware, only to have them crash or no compile properly

Sounds like the problem in those cases is you. Maybe you spelled something wrong. If you know what you're doing, Linux works, period.

(and it is no more "Mainstream" then it was then, Maybe a few percent more)

I wonder how many Android/Google phones have sold.  Those run Linux, and they're pretty trendy apparently.

Every year I try at least a dozen times to use linux and the only ones that I can even get to work are Abuntu

Well, if the Linux world produced a distribution that even you can successfully run, imagine how many other people are able to use it and happy with a free, well supported OS!

Bottom line is, there are millions of Linux users around the world, if even a small percentage of them are developing for it, they're going to make progress.  How many Amiga users are there, a couple thousand?  A small percentage of that is... working on OS4, AROS, and MorphOS!

[runequester]

I wonder how many Android/Google phones have sold.  Those run Linux, and they're pretty trendy apparently. !

http://www.googleandblog.com/android-phones-million-sold-faster-than-iphone/3564/