How will Hyperion continue the momentum?

[Piru]

There has also been pleasant sounding noises about doing exactly that with a sonnet card. Though given that the design is REALLY compatible with the 1200 and 4000 (can use either kickstart) it would probably just be a couple of days hacking to get OS 4.0 to run on it once a sonnet card is supported for warpOS

You guys are really cracking me up... :laughing:

[Hell Labs]

You guys are really cracking me up... :laughing:

Well aren't you a little optimist.

I'm also surprised that they announced this board before it was ready to ship, especially considering what it will do to sales of the SAM.

To launch a new hw platform with a intergrated, stable and supported version of OS 4.x will cost a lot of $$$, how much have Hyperion got to spend on this puppy I wonder?

Hopefully some lesson have been learned by the powers-that-be over the AmigaOne lanuch and marketing disaster.

That reminds me - How do Hyperion actually make money? The OS4 market is small as hell. I know they ported games over to amiga in the 90's, but that can't have lasted, surely? For all we know it could be an Amiga Inc situation where the company only has it's doors open for money laundering, but with a much better cover up.

[Boudicca]

Well aren't you a little optimist.

No ...he's a developer who actually delivers......

[dammy]

I'm also surprised that they announced this board before it was ready to ship, especially considering what it will do to sales of the SAM.

To launch a new hw platform with a intergrated, stable and supported version of OS 4.x will cost a lot of $$$, how much have Hyperion got to spend on this puppy I wonder?

Hopefully some lesson have been learned by the powers-that-be over the AmigaOne lanuch and marketing disaster.

Unless this was going to be a trial balloon?

[Hell Labs]

You mean lead balloon?

[ElPolloDiabl]

Will it run MacOS 8? or Morphos?

[Karlos]

:roflmao:

What? It's about the only reason to put a PPC in a machine entirely conceived as an m68k one (and as you well know, "fun" means context-switch-tastic applications). I didn't mean to imply it would actually be sensible, let alone feasible

[persia]

The can make money the same way Amiga Inc does, launder it....

That's really about the only way.

Well aren't you a little optimist.



That reminds me - How do Hyperion actually make money? The OS4 market is small as hell. I know they ported games over to amiga in the 90's, but that can't have lasted, surely? For all we know it could be an Amiga Inc situation where the company only has it's doors open for money laundering, but with a much better cover up.

[kolla]

I'm just curious what Piru will do the day Natami shows up for real. Probably spend the rest of the day wasted in a sauna

[fishy_fiz]

@BigBenAussie

Your research seems fairly sound, but the only part that doesnt fit is that Hyperion claim that the board was built to thier specification, which the boards youve proposed being an X1000 wasnt. There's also "Hyperion AmigaOne" printed on the motherboard.

[Argo]

Today there should be a next generation Amiga OS we could be using.  Of the three Amiga-like OS, none of them are next generation.  At best there is one maybe 1990s OS, and the rest are 1980s OS trying to live in the modern world and all three are failing at it while the Dev pool shrinks a little bit more.

Look what happened to the two leading 80's and 90's OS'. Microsoft droped Windows for NT and rebranded it Windows. Apple dropped System for Mac OS X.
Are we willing to drop Amiga OS? We could keep the userland desktop or got for a work/look alike with a modern kernel underneath. Apple has shown it can be done. Doesn't have to be a borrowed kernel like Apple has done. It could be completely written from the ground up. Sort of a modern version of the Amiga microkernel. Though it would take longer.

[dammy]

@BigBenAussie

Your research seems fairly sound, but the only part that doesnt fit is that Hyperion claim that the board was built to thier specification, which the boards youve proposed being an X1000 wasnt. There's also "Hyperion AmigaOne" printed on the motherboard.

With the "AmigaOne" printing on the mobo, that would be considered customized mobo.

[BigBenAussie]

@BigBenAussie

Your research seems fairly sound, but the only part that doesnt fit is that Hyperion claim that the board was built to thier specification, which the boards youve proposed being an X1000 wasnt. There's also "Hyperion AmigaOne" printed on the motherboard.

The board I see on the Varisys website, only demonstrates that Varisys has built something with similar specs before, that in fact was on sale as far back as 2007. A board containing the XMOS chip, which I contend must be the basis for the X1000, was referred to in the March 18th 2009 news item. The news item states that "After two and half years of working together Varisys and XMOS have completed their 16th development/evaluation board." This would imply that either, A-Eon/Hyperion contracted them for the design work as as far back as late 2006, or they have pretty much.........um........found a lucky convergence of ideas.

It would be nice if it is the PA6T they are using in the X1000, seeing as they have experience with it, and obviously had supply of them, but given Varisys has experience in all manner of PPC chips, it could just as likely be a lower specced chip from another vendor, which would be a shame. The argument against PA6T is that it's difficult to get nowadays, but we don't know what deal Varisys had with P.A.Semi nor if they hoarded supply. Let's face it, Amiga sales could well be a drop in the ocean in terms of supply.

[EvilGuy]

Doesn't have to be a borrowed kernel like Apple has done. It could be completely written from the ground up. Sort of a modern version of the Amiga microkernel. Though it would take longer.

People whinge about the hardware not making the Amiga what it is; which leaves pretty much the OS and the "look and feel". I say its simply the look and feel that makes an Amiga an Amiga so why not exploit that.

Make a new Amiga window manager for Linux and sell "Amiga - powered by Linux" (tm) systems instead. Then companies can produce Amiga/PowerPC or Amiga/Intel or Amiga/...

Value add by making the Linux underneath configurable entirely from the Amiga UI. There are some awful tools in Gnome/KDE for configuring the important bits of Linux that could do with a nice bit of Amigafying. Workspaces are nice under Gnome, but it'd be nice to be able to drag screens down sometimes (and not have to use Compiz to do it!)

But concentrate on strengths; the UI is fairly intuitive so make it work with Linux. Don't try and manufacture custom hardware because it'll always be second fiddle to the dedicated hardware companies. Don't try to create an entire OS from scratch because it'll never have the diverse hardware support that the existing players have, nor will you ever get the major application developers porting applications.

Unless of course your business model is selling a couple of hundred units to the hardcore, die hard fans that will buy anything with an Amiga badge on it anyway.

[BigBenAussie]

@EvilGuy
Dude, I practically got my head chopped off by the Friendens for saying something like that in 2004. Welcome to 2010.

I still see where you're coming from. There have been Amiga window managers for Linux, but do you see them being prominantly used? Anubis is said to be sort of an in between, that is somewhat more palatable a solution, which is using the Linux kernal, but building the user experience up to be more closely Amiga-like. This gets you hardware support on par with Linux, but hopefully, without the bloat.

Look, probably the hardest part of AmigaOS4 is done, and it is just a matter of building it up, so there is no point for them going back to the scenario you mention.
Getting to x86 is still easier from where they are now than what you suggest. You have to remember that it would be very hard to drag the userbase over with what you suggest.

As for the future, the era of the OS will probably only run another decade, and then user experiences will be downloadable to a non-descript OS on any hardware over the internet practically instantaneously, and configured to your preferences. You could have an AmigaOS preference, with access to the same computing resources as any other. With the trend moving to internet based user experiences, and data rates increasing exponentially I see this as an inevitability. You may have low access or bandwidth right now, but do you really think it won't improve by the end of the decade.

[runequester]

Well aren't you a little optimist.



That reminds me - How do Hyperion actually make money? The OS4 market is small as hell. I know they ported games over to amiga in the 90's, but that can't have lasted, surely? For all we know it could be an Amiga Inc situation where the company only has it's doors open for money laundering, but with a much better cover up.

converting pc games to linux and mac, as far as I know