How will Hyperion continue the momentum?

[dammy]

I get the feeling...Amiga is software for you ? Is that the way it must stay ? Why not a case keyboard mobo and ppc.

For some of us old folks, PPC will never be an Amiga.  Regardless on what the current owners dictate as an Amiga.

[Boudicca]

Well obviously It'd only be for computers they would sell. But if you think that £££ custom low volume hardware is a better idea you have mental problems.

I don't think its better...and mental hmmm..nice touch...do you come here often? First word I say and you flame me. Nice.

custom low volume hardware isn't bad, if it has a valid purpose.....what I guess is that you don't consider the Amiga a valid purpose based on that logic.

Do it cheap and it will find a purpose or do it in software and i can play lemmings. UAE is a emulator and its serves a purpose and like VMware that i use every day it does the same, keep old software alive and that is cool but it has no future it cannot create new markets or inspire a child to develop a whole new concept. That requires an evolving platform and at present thats dominated by a elite group of vendors who's sole intention is to market asparasion rather that lead invention and that is what is sadly missing in IT. Its a corporate market for corporate solutions, everyone else hasn't got a look in and it thats the way it will remain until a tool emerges that can lead and not follow.

[Hell Labs]

For some of us old folks, PPC will never be an Amiga.  Regardless on what the current owners dictate as an Amiga.

And PPC no wait Intel will never be macintosh, ARM will never be acorn, and X86-32 no wait X86-64 will never be windows.

Get real. it's a chip inside the machine. I don't care how it works so long as it WORKS.

[Hell Labs]

I don't think its better...and mental hmmm..nice touch...do you come here often? First word I say and you flame me. Nice.

custom low volume hardware isn't bad, if it has a valid purpose.....what I guess is that you don't consider the Amiga a valid purpose based on that logic.

Do it cheap and it will find a purpose or do it in software and i can play lemmings. UAE is a emulator and its serves a purpose and like VMware that i use every day it does the same, keep old software alive and that is cool but it has no future it cannot create new markets or inspire a child to develop a whole new concept. That requires an evolving platform and at present thats dominated by a elite group of vendors who's sole intention is to market asparasion rather that lead invention and that is what is sadly missing in IT. Its a corporate market for corporate solutions, everyone else hasn't got a look in and it thats the way it will remain until a tool emerges that can lead and not follow.

Actually with the solution I suggested UAE and Linux would merely act as a go between, nothing but a really big driver. the X86 cpu can be an Atom, with a G5 or whatever on Pci. That's essentially the same as running natively on an amigaone, but with far more compatibility and a slightly slower boot time. Oh, and much, much cheaper hardware.

[cha05e90]

For some of us old folks, PPC will never be an Amiga.  Regardless on what the current owners dictate as an Amiga.

...but UAE hosted on x86 windows is?

[cha05e90]

... with a G5 or whatever on Pci ... Oh, and much, much cheaper hardware.

I don't think that this solution will be really *much* cheaper. Only in the imagination of people.

[dammy]

...but UAE hosted on x86 windows is?

No, it will never be a true Amiga.  That's something for the history books  as something special to many of us.

Now my uses for an Amiga in today's enviroment would be on UAE, namely games.  Which is why I was happy when Neutrino was picked, then Linux kernel was picked.  It gives me a real world enviroment  that can be a next generation Amiga OS and run the old apps (today, zero Amiga apps for me) and games in emulation.  I had hopes for AROS, but alas, I have few of those hopes left for it any more.  As far as hardware, unless it's revolutionary hardware from alien technology, give me solid, fast, and cheap hardware.  I'm far more interested in Freescales' reference tablet http://armdevices.net/2010/01/09/199-chrome-os-tablet-reference-design-based-on-freescale-i-mx515-processor/ then I am X1000.  $199 vs  $1999 is a no brainer for me.

[Hell Labs]

I don't think that this solution will be really *much* cheaper. Only in the imagination of people.

Intel atom board for £67
PPC G3 500mhz £31.15
DDR2 2GB £51.69 (ddr2 is going up in price, it's OLD)
Mini atx case £30
500GB SATA £40
dvdrw pata £25
Keyboard and mouse £8
AmigaOS 4.1 £108.30
Total price: £361.14 Pound Sterling.

A weak ppc (but not by much), I know, but there are faster ones out there and at any rate, they can MAKE a ppc card if they want to for less than an entire motherboard. That's MUCH cheaper than a SAM setup from amigakit, with twice the ram too. I've even totaled in a keyboard and mouse like amigakit do. Hell, a SAM motherboard ALONE costs more than this! Go Go Gadget Hyperion.

[persia]

In the end it's all software running on hardware, I don't care what the underlying hardware is, as long as it works and is reasonably priced...

No, it will never be a true Amiga.  That's something for the history books  as something special to many of us.

Now my uses for an Amiga in today's enviroment would be on UAE, namely games.  Which is why I was happy when Neutrino was picked, then Linux kernel was picked.  It gives me a real world enviroment  that can be a next generation Amiga OS and run the old apps (today, zero Amiga apps for me) and games in emulation.  I had hopes for AROS, but alas, I have few of those hopes left for it any more.  As far as hardware, unless it's revolutionary hardware from alien technology, give me solid, fast, and cheap hardware.  I'm far more interested in Freescales' reference tablet http://armdevices.net/2010/01/09/199-chrome-os-tablet-reference-design-based-on-freescale-i-mx515-processor/ then I am X1000.  $199 vs  $1999 is a no brainer for me.

[Piru]

Intel atom board for £67
PPC G3 500mhz £31.15
DDR2 2GB £51.69 (ddr2 is going up in price, it's OLD)
Mini atx case £30
500GB SATA £40
dvdrw pata £25
Keyboard and mouse £8
AmigaOS 4.1 £108.30
Total price: £361.14 Pound Sterling.

A weak ppc (but not by much), I know, but there are faster ones out there and at any rate, they can MAKE a ppc card if they want to for less than an entire motherboard. That's MUCH cheaper than a SAM setup from amigakit, with twice the ram too. I've even totaled in a keyboard and mouse like amigakit do. Hell, a SAM motherboard ALONE costs more than this! Go Go Gadget Hyperion.

Mac Mini G4 1.25GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40GB HDD, DVD/CD-RW Combo £85.22
Keyboard and mouse £8
MorphOS 2.4 £134.67
Total price: £220 Pound Sterling.

[Boudicca]

Actually with the solution I suggested UAE and Linux would merely act as a go between, nothing but a really big driver. the X86 cpu can be an Atom, with a G5 or whatever on Pci. That's essentially the same as running natively on an amigaone, but with far more compatibility and a slightly slower boot time. Oh, and much, much cheaper hardware.

Why fit the mould, when you can break it ? Make it not compatible and distinctive,be bold, don't follow...lead ? Someone has to....intel had to...apple had to..why does it have to fit with the children of Fairchild ? Why reinvent Vmware for PPC, which is all you are suggesting..its SheepShaver....and it doesn't have a market. It doesn't keep going a million pound app on modern hardware as nothing that vast was written for 68060 or PPC. Its a dead end being the all so rand in a bear market.

[Hell Labs]

Mac Mini G4 1.25GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40GB HDD, DVD/CD-RW Combo £85.22
Keyboard and mouse £8
MorphOS 2.4 £134.67
Total price: £220 Pound Sterling.

New Vs Second hand, and the solution I quoted has two processors available. Also the ram and HDD on that sucks nuts out of the box.

[Hell Labs]

Why fit the mould, when you can break it ? Make it not compatible and distinctive,be bold, don't follow...lead ? Someone has to....intel had to...apple had to..why does it have to fit with the children of Fairchild ? Why reinvent Vmware for PPC, which is all you are suggesting..its SheepShaver....and it doesn't have a market. It doesn't keep going a million pound app on modern hardware as nothing that vast was written for 68060 or PPC. Its a dead end being the all so rand in a bear market.

I can't undertand anything you just said, apart from "sheepshaver", which has more of a market than all three amiga os' put together and does something completely different to what I was suggesting.

I was suggesting something like amilithon with 100% compatibility and a pass through to real gfx and CPU hardware.

Sheepshaver is an emulator.

[Piru]

New Vs Second hand, and the solution I quoted has two processors available. Also the ram and HDD on that sucks nuts out of the box.

Imaginary Vs Real.

Several people actually obtained those setups and will soon run MorphOS on them.

Obviously RAM and HDD can be upgraded for additional cost if needed.

[Hell Labs]

Imaginary Vs Real.

Several people actually obtained those setups and will soon run MorphOS on them.

Obviously RAM and HDD can be upgraded for additional cost if needed.

Yeah, my solution is imaginary. but it's not impossible, and it's better than the other options for running amigaos 4.1. The second hand mac with morphos option is fantastic, but NEW hardware is VERY important.


I wonder what the current NATAMI progress is. Somebody gets a PPC card working with at and we'll be in business.

[EDanaII]

Ehhh... that scenario is only partially imaginary. I'm typing from the real parts of that setup right now, and I currently run Win 7, Mackintosh, AROS, Linux and even Amiga Forever on Linux. That's all too real. And I'd love to run AmigaOS 4.1 on it too, but it's Hyperion's failure to glean reality that prevents me from that.

Two cents...

Ed.