real amiga vs winuae

[amigaksi]

Its vice versa also. And I somehow do understand some of the "pro-pc"-people here, its a bit hard not to belittle the arguments of the "pro-amiga"-people as these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing. And has not been for a decade.

The biggest "unique" feature is old playable games and thats it, and even that is made possible through emulation.

PROVE IT.
Anyone can state what comes up in his head.  It takes a brain to prove stuff.

[amigaksi]

I find this thread fascinating... Simply because I can't understand where amigaski is coming from... Trolling? Delusional? Confused? or just plain stupid?

It's the first one-- you can't understand where amigaksi is coming from.

[amigaksi]

Damn, I couldn't stop myself. Sorry people, please accept my humble apologies. I don't appreciate discussions such as this one either, but then again I'm too easy to provoke I guess.

Amigaski, like I said - we won't agree no matter how long this discussion is. Let's just drop it, ok? If you really need to reply to my previous post, do so by posting a PM instead.

You are the one who keeps claiming "I'm done with you" and then keep coming back.

I haven't yet figured out how to access pmail on this new amiga.org; there used to be a way to see all the topics you replied to and look at pmail but it's a new interface...

[amigaksi]

I think some of those advantages if they were properly implemented on the PC would be welcomed by most users.  But its just a theoretical argument, because most PC's-like 99%- will never have a boot time under 10 seconds, will always have a registry, will always be wasteful and inefficient with their use of hardware resources, will always have GUI performance issues, will always make you wait for things that they shouldn't make you wait for, will always have a wait pointer, will always have major malware problems, but you'll be able to do more things, many of which you won't want, need or just plain find frustrating to work with.  But hey that might not matter

Correct.  They are only useful if they are better on the PC; otherwise, there is not much use for them.  What a lame way to argue.

[hooligan]

@stefcep2

Frankly I don't see whats the big fuss about boot-times. My MorphOS booted in a few seconds, WinXP in maybe 20 seconds.. I have never been in so much hurry it has actually bothered me.

You have to remember AmigaOS/AROS/MorphOS lacks hundreds(thousands?) of things found in modern OS's. If AmigaOS wouldn't be 10 years behind and it would have a larger userbase there would probably be the same problems you mentioned. But that never happened so lets leave it at that.

I do however agree you with the registry, the registry was one of the lousiest ideas ever brought to computing.

I had fun with MorphOS, the OS itself was excellent and I enjoyed using it as a hobby.. but in the end the lack of proper software meant I was always switching to Windows to do the things I wanted to do.

[hooligan]

PROVE IT.
Anyone can state what comes up in his head.  It takes a brain to prove stuff.

The current marketsituation pretty much proves it, doesn't it? In my eyes it tells not very many people find Amiga of any serious use.

[wawrzon]

ohh. i see, another thread where people go impose their personal preferences on others. boot-times, well, im not very impressed with that of my own pc's very much. might be better, sure, i could look into it, but i spare my time to study other sciences since another issue is annoying me much, much more: the shutdown. i really hate to come back home a day after to find out that a computer that i switched off leaving yesterday is still on for some rediculous reason such as it couldnt close one remaining dialog window by itself. and this keeps happening again and again. ghhhrrrmmphh...

[stefcep2]

Correct.  They are only useful if they are better on the PC; otherwise, there is not much use for them.  What a lame way to argue.

i am not sure which way to take that: do you agree or disagree with the post/

[stefcep2]

ohh. i see, another thread where people go impose their personal preferences on others. boot-times, well, im not very impressed with that of my own pc's very much. might be better, sure, i could look into it, but i spare my time to study other sciences since another issue is annoying me much, much more: the shutdown. i really hate to come back home a day after to find out that a computer that i switched off leaving yesterday is still on for some rediculous reason such as it couldnt close one remaining dialog window by itself. and this keeps happening again and again. ghhhrrrmmphh...

LOL.  So I'm not the only with the shutdown that leaves your PC running for 8 hours till you get home..for exactly the same reason..

[amigaksi]

i am not sure which way to take that: do you agree or disagree with the post/

Yeah, I agree with your statement that if you implemented on the PC in a better way than Amiga, the Pro-PC camp would welcome them.  Now if those features are superior on Amiga, they are considered useless or "we left those long time ago" sort of things.  So if they implemented a digital joystick as standard or put OS in ROM or stuff like that, then PC people would find them useful features.  Just following blindly whatever is being marketed currently.

[shoggoth]

I really take insult to a post like this, and I hope that you remove it, I support the special olympics every year, and think that the people participating in it are very special, intelligent people that try very hard coping with a real world. Some of these kids also use Amiga's and PC's on the internet. This can hurt feeling bad.

Some  people on these site's like me, can be the real idiots.

That statement shouldn't be taken too serious. It's far from being politically correct, and it necessarily doesn't reflect my own view. It's kind a fun anyway, however.

[amigaksi]

The current marketsituation pretty much proves it, doesn't it? In my eyes it tells not very many people find Amiga of any serious use.

I was asking you to prove your statement: these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing.

This was just a speculation on your part.

[stefcep2]

Yeah, I agree with your statement that if you implemented on the PC in a better way than Amiga, the Pro-PC camp would welcome them.  Now if those features are superior on Amiga, they are considered useless or "we left those long time ago" sort of things.  So if they implemented a digital joystick as standard or put OS in ROM or stuff like that, then PC people would find them useful features.  Just following blindly whatever is being marketed currently.

It does sound like people following blindly whatever is being marketed.  

Not long ago a local PC mag did a trip in time where they used a Win98Se in a Pentium machine with 128 Mb ram.  They found web browsing, email, Office, dvd playback, mp3 and divx playback, banking, youtube was not that different on the old machine.  And Win98Se was just as responsive as Vista if not more so. Despite hardware and software advancements.  Thats most of the stuff people do. I would have thought on an Amiga forum, people might question why things on the PC are still the way they are.  Instead the concensus is :  well i can do x number of additional things but even if I need 10x or 100x or even 1000x of the resources to do it, its OK coz hardware is cheap and I can work around it, so I'm OK with it.

[ElPolloDiabl]

This discussion should be transferred to a thread titled: "Why is Windows so lame/bloated/hard to program/popular with sheeple etc?"   :confused:

[gaula92]

that's an easy question: Windows is SO SLOW and bloated because users are stupid: People is educated to use scumm. They don't notice/care.

 My XP for emulation purposes has only 6 processes running and it boots relatively fast: I am FORCED to use it because of WinUAE and SnesGT, but it's a lame system anyway.
Sooner or later, I'll run those two emulators on Mac OSX/self-compiled Linux with Wine/ CROSSOVER (reimplementations of teh windows API, no emulation/virtualization required) and I'll be free from Windows FOREVER.

A similar solution would be possible if AmigaOS/MorphOS ran on X86 hardware, and believe me there's silent, energy efficient, ergonomic X86 hardware (Asus EeeBox, not the same as EeePC, or Mac Mini X86). Screw those noisy towers...

[hooligan]

I was asking you to prove your statement: these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing.

This was just a speculation on your part.

I was not speculating. I was telling a cold hard fact. Let's turn it all around, if AmigaOS has so much good in it and is so superior in so many areas, why it hasn't found even a nichemarket for itself, while many OS-projects that started later with less to begin with has succeeded in some way? Partly its of course by bad management (lightly said) but theres something else to it: time. Time has passed, needs have changed. Even if there was plenty of hardware at decent prices it still wouldn't help AmigaOS to rise from the pit it sunk itself years back.

To get back to topic, this is why I think emulation is the way to go, especially because of the superb emulation WinUAE provides. It's a simple and costeffective way for many people to hobby Amiga and keep even some attachment to it, and still do the important things with proper tools. Not to mention those who really WANT to use AmigaOS, but can't be arsed to buy uberexpensive underpowered hardware.