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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #179 on: June 09, 2009, 02:46:01 PM »
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Your behavior was that of a PC-fanatic.  Not familiar with Pegasos-- does that have amiga h/w or just all software emulation?

lol no the pegasos 1 & 2  is a next gen board as was the a1 and sam.
they ran morphos and linux, tho i think aos 4.1 is available for the pegasos 2
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #180 on: June 09, 2009, 02:58:26 PM »
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lol no the pegasos 1 & 2  is a next gen board as was the a1 and sam.
they ran morphos and linux, tho i think aos 4.1 is available for the pegasos 2


Question was whether the Pegasos uses the custom chip set (amiga h/w) or not.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #181 on: June 09, 2009, 03:16:28 PM »
Ufff, Amigaski, as we say here: "madre mia..."

(in the same languaje as the Amiga name is)
 

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #182 on: June 09, 2009, 03:21:54 PM »
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Question was whether the Pegasos uses the custom chip set (amiga h/w) or not.

the answer is "lol NO this is a NEXT GEN motherboard"

the custom chipset idea was taken by the pc and now is a part of every motherboard made today.

you now have
cpu/southbridge/northbridge/graphics/sound
in new pc-style motherboards
as such the new amigas draw from this as creating new chipsets are so cost prohibitive that we will never see that again in our amigas.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2009, 03:32:57 PM by jkirk »
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #183 on: June 09, 2009, 03:46:44 PM »
Was SGI the originator of these custom chip designs? Alas, all these brand names make me just sad. Looking back too long does not make me sleep easier.
 

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #184 on: June 09, 2009, 04:02:52 PM »
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Was SGI the originator of these custom chip designs? Alas, all these brand names make me just sad. Looking back too long does not make me sleep easier.

i think all early systems had some form of multiple chipset to varying degrees. but i think the amiga was the first to to use this number of different co-processors and did it relatively inexpensively.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #185 on: June 09, 2009, 05:05:07 PM »
I hate to say this but winuae IS the ultimate amiga.
It may not be a "real" Amiga, but what is a real Amiga anyway.
It's faster than any amiga out there, it has everything you need to connect anything you might imagine and of course it doesn't "Guru" so often. At least not that often as my old 060 1200.
The beauty of WinUAE is that you can have ANY configuration, in ANY hardware setup in just seconds. In my real 030 Amiga I use WHDLOAD. In UAE I use just... as many configs as I like for each game. I just click the game I want. It loads ultra fast in "turbo mode" floppies and I can also record in .avi all the action. As for Workbench use,  it is in fact easier to set up any workbench in UAE than in real amiga. I have many (so many) different Wb's set up in my UAE that I can always have a "clean" machine to work with. I have made different setup of 3.9 with scala and dpaint (for gfx), a different setup of 3.9 for games, another one for music etc. It is a matter of seconds to load the appropriate one, and it takes so little space on a 1TB HD :-D
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #186 on: June 10, 2009, 02:31:55 AM »
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I hate to say this but winuae IS the ultimate amiga.
It may not be a "real" Amiga, but what is a real Amiga anyway....

One that works exactly like the real thing from all perspectives.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #187 on: June 10, 2009, 06:45:01 AM »
Wow, this is a hot topic.

I personally got into Amiga because of the retro. I have kids and I wouldn't want them touching my stuff lol. So I think in your case WinUAE would be a great alternative to educate them on what Amiga is all about. Then maybe when you trust them or have a classic system of your own you can have a hobbie together. My son is now 18 and loves my retro collections and on occasion I let him play:)

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #188 on: June 10, 2009, 07:30:58 AM »
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One that works exactly like the real thing from all perspectives.

Bloated capacitors, leaky batteries, dirty drive heads, misbehaving CIAs, regional display formats, broken joystick switches, serial transfers.... *sigh* The joys of real Amigas.

EDIT: Ooh! I forgot rotten floppy disks. Those were the days.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #189 on: June 10, 2009, 07:33:50 AM »
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My son is now 18 and loves my retro collections and on occasion I let him play:)


On occasion? I grew up without a father, but I do have one memory of my grandfather on my father's side: He had a very cool N-scale railroad that he wouldn't let me play with--the bastard. If and when you have grandchildren, don't make the same mistake he did. ;-)
 

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #190 on: June 10, 2009, 07:46:14 AM »
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One that works exactly like the real thing from all perspectives.


That's a bit of a pointless criterion to pick.

The 060 doesn't support every instruction that the 000-030 used and has to rely on software emulation for the unimplemented instructions. We know your views on emulation, isn't real, it isn't timing precise, etc. So, does your amiga stop being real the moment you put an 060 card in it?
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #191 on: June 10, 2009, 10:01:16 AM »
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I hate to say this but winuae IS the ultimate amiga.
It may not be a "real" Amiga, but what is a real Amiga anyway.
It's faster than any amiga out there, it has everything you need to connect anything you might imagine and of course it doesn't "Guru" so often. At least not that often as my old 060 1200.
The beauty of WinUAE is that you can have ANY configuration, in ANY hardware setup in just seconds. In my real 030 Amiga I use WHDLOAD. In UAE I use just... as many configs as I like for each game. I just click the game I want. It loads ultra fast in "turbo mode" floppies and I can also record in .avi all the action. As for Workbench use,  it is in fact easier to set up any workbench in UAE than in real amiga. I have many (so many) different Wb's set up in my UAE that I can always have a "clean" machine to work with. I have made different setup of 3.9 with scala and dpaint (for gfx), a different setup of 3.9 for games, another one for music etc. It is a matter of seconds to load the appropriate one, and it takes so little space on a 1TB HD :-D


All of this is true.

And yet I still love using my A600 (with compactflash-for-IDE) for retrogaming more.
I'll freely admit that this is due to me being a great retro-entoushiast though and that it has nothing to do with anything being 'better' about it (except the 50hz scrolling never working quite right on my PC with it's 60hz+ screenupdates and that only because I'm too lazy to set up the proper resolutions). There is just something about plugging in a real old-school joystick and using an old-school RGB monitor (ok, flat-screen scart-RGB crt TV) that just well, feels nicer to me.

Then again, I like using the ECS/OCS amiga's more than the AGA ones anyway. And I still have a C64c set up for similar purposes (whose retro-communities are, strangely enough, not at all worried that Vice can use Warp-Mode for uber speeds and would probably look at you quite strangely if you said Vice was better than the real thing because it was faster :D).

Your milage may vary though ;)
 

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #192 on: June 10, 2009, 02:11:49 PM »
The C64 and the Amiga were my beginnings in the amazing world of microcomputers. I was not aware that it would become my bread and butter, I just was amazed and loved it. The Emulation can not give me back these moments but it reassures that they are not forgotten. It feels different and I also changed a lot.

WinUAE is a blessing for me tough, it preserves what I loved in my youth. It's like you open a chest with your old toys... it makes you smile and it never really gets old.
 

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #193 on: June 10, 2009, 06:09:47 PM »
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Bloated capacitors, leaky batteries, dirty drive heads, misbehaving CIAs, regional display formats, broken joystick switches, serial transfers.... *sigh* The joys of real Amigas.

EDIT: Ooh! I forgot rotten floppy disks. Those were the days.


Never had problems with leaky batteries.  A500/A1000 didn't have any batteries on them.  Capacitors, dirty drive heads, etc. isn't restricted to Amigas.  Amiga also has parallel transfers (which I find quite useful for playing with custom devices).  Sorry, my joystick has yet to break and all things eventually break.  Regional display format is also common in video industry; however, I have a PAL and NTSC amiga running in America.  I use floppy simulation so no rotten floppy disks.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #194 from previous page: June 10, 2009, 06:16:33 PM »
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That's a bit of a pointless criterion to pick.

The 060 doesn't support every instruction that the 000-030 used and has to rely on software emulation for the unimplemented instructions. We know your views on emulation, isn't real, it isn't timing precise, etc. So, does your amiga stop being real the moment you put an 060 card in it?


If there's a REAL Amiga 060 and emulated version is not like it, then it's not as good.  Someone may have exploited the 060 features in his real amiga for his own purposes and if these can't be done on emulated amiga, then it's different.  But in general use (most existing software uses), the core of the Amiga is it's custom chipset (OCS/AGA/ECS) and that involves more than just "looking the same".
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